Can we throw it away and start over?

[psy]

Oh the Poor Isabelle.  Victim of a Witchhunt.  In Alex's own words:

http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... 36&catid=7

Go ahead and delete your post.  It will just embarrass you as I'll just be forced to host an archived mirror.

Now that's public.  You want to explain the rest?  Or should I?

[nimdA]

Another contender gone bad. Is their anyone around that hasn't been tainted by Isabelle?

[psy]

Another contender gone bad. Is their anyone around that hasn't been tainted by Isabelle?

Well...  What else would you expect in bed with izzy (apart from suffocation).

[nimdA]

A bad rash.

[Anonymous]

Well...  What else would you expect in bed with izzy (apart from suffocation).

A totally limp dick. Even Viagra couldn't fix that shit...

[Deborah]

I really wonder if they think the kids forced into the adolescent psychiatric programs are stupid. Their morning appointment is with a psychiatrist who tells them they have ______ disorder, _______ personality disorder, with ______ symptoms, plus you have ________ to top it off. Then you are told in order to solve these problems you must take 350 mg of ______ per day, 5 mg of______ per day, 25 mg of _______ four times per day, 60MG of _________ six times daily, and a half dozen other ones for good measure. Then that afternoon you are told to sit alone and read the whole NA big book, and write about it. Then at night you find yourself in an NA group, led by volunteer lay people brought in from outside a hospital full of highly educated psychologists who specialize in adolescent mental health. But all this knowledge, all this resource, it's simply brought to the common denominator of NA, all druggies are the same, they use drugs because drugs are evil and they have a disease. So the duality, of being diagnosed with problems by a psychiatrist, and given drugs to solve such problems. Then the same day being taught that chemicals and drugs are not a solution to your problems. It makes no sense, at all. At this point is when a kid realizes the hypocrisy of it all and finally realizes what they really are. A commodity. They are bought, sold, transfered, and experimented on and because of this many other people are making a living and the even higher ups are doing extremely well, the CEO of the companies who own it. It's a pyramid scheme, built on the backs of teenagers just trying to make sense of the fucked up world they find themselves in when their eyes start to finally open. Their parents don't want them anymore, the only people willing to show them some affection is those people who are obsessed with proving that this child has problems. So in order to placate that normal human function of wanting love, these kids are forced to absorb their labeled dysfunctions . Look at all the attention they get if they admit to being dysfunctional, suddenly everybody likes them again. If they don't admit it they are shunned, and put on more and more meds until they are literally a walking zombie. Or they take a beautiful girl brought in for self image issues, and force them on Zyprexa which causes them to gain 100 pounds, and they had issues before? The plain cold hard truth is very few people are going to love a kid that isn't their own, the ones who do don't go asking for money , they probably just adopt kids or something. Money is what our society is about, follow the money and you see the real perpetrators of this sham. House of cards built on the admitted dysfunctions of normal people. They have turned a normal human behavior into a dysfcuntion and sell a treatment that does nothing. |Money from nowhere, that is what this drug war is all about.

I so recognize this writing style...  I'm just glad this is written as guest.  You absolutely fucking ROCK as a writer.  Must be them cookies.

 :tup:  Ditto
A government sanctioned scam.

Start with Teen Screen- every kid in America to be screened for mental illness, as well as all school personel and elders. Part of Bush's One World Order. Not conspiracy. Documented.
Zero Tolerance and War on Drugs- do I need to elaborate?
The massive drugging of kids- significant data available on violence and suicide being caused by these drugs, not to mention a whole new black market for rx drugs. All the school shooters were on psych drugs, btw.
If drugs don't 'work' on their totally fabricated 'diagnoses' (no science to validate), then you incarcerate them in psuedo psychiatric facilities and attempt to modify their behavior under the guise of 'therapy' at an astronomical price.

Social control. Anyone see the movie Equilibrium?  :scared: If you haven't, put it on your list of must sees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_(2002_film)

[KPalicz]

Fuck you Alex.  Traitor!  Hypocrite!

Wow, such a lovely bunch on this forum.  No wonder I typically avoid it.

Get any programs shut down lately?  Or are you guys having too much fun attacking fellow opponents of abusive programs?  

All the infighting is quite amusing if it wasn't so counter-productive and sad.  

You guys make me think of the Life of Brian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prhip4hYIUA&NR=1
http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/brian/brian-07.htm

 BRIAN:
    Are you the Judean People's Front?
REG:
    Fuck off!
BRIAN:
    What?
REG:
    Judean People's Front. We're the People's Front of Judea! Judean People's Front. Cawk.
FRANCIS:
    Wankers.
BRIAN:
    Can I... join your group?

.....

REG:
    Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front.
P.F.J.:
    Yeah...
JUDITH:
    Splitters.
P.F.J.:
    Splitters...
FRANCIS:
    And the Judean Popular People's Front.
P.F.J.:
    Yeah. Oh, yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
LORETTA:
    And the People's Front of Judea.
P.F.J.:
    Yeah. Splitters. Splitters...
REG:
    What?
LORETTA:
    The People's Front of Judea. Splitters.
REG:
    We're the People's Front of Judea!
LORETTA:
    Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
REG:
    People's Front! C-huh.
FRANCIS:
    Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
REG:
    He's over there.
P.F.J.:
    Splitter!

[Anonymous]

How many programs have you knocked out yourself their Palicz? And you haven't answered the question have you. What are your comments on your alliance with Isabelle Zehender and your alliance with her?


We all know that Isabelle hasn't done shut down any programs. We all know you haven't shut down any programs. So why are you evading the questions about your little alliance with Isabelle?

Very interesting.

More damaged goods advocates is my guess.

[psy]

Fuck you Alex.  Traitor!  Hypocrite!

Wow, such a lovely bunch on this forum.  No wonder I typically avoid it.

Get any programs shut down lately?

Yes.  I like to brag about every single one.  Publicly... And act like I'm hot shit.  Hey.. Mister youth rights person.  what about your friend isabelle referring to Sunrise Adolescent Transport (unlicenced, wwasp associated), and PURE... which of course, referrs to such wonderful places as sorensons, red rock, whitmore... need I go on.

It was recently demonstrated that a parent contacting Izabelle for help getting a kid out of program somehow managed to get convinced that there are good programs, and that she should contact Sue Scheff for help on that.  Maybe you were asleep during that.  Or perhaps exposing some sort of injustice somewhere.  Do you typically wear a cape to work?

Or are you guys having too much fun attacking fellow opponents of abusive programs?  

[bla bla ... insert 50 odd lines of ad-hominem]

Yes.  Wonderful humor.  Love the movie.  Now that relates to Isabelle Zehnder (your buddy) how exactly?  Come on now, my friend...  Explain to the wonderful crazy people here why exactly it is you love Isabelle so much.

[Deborah]

Anything and everything it takes to expose the truth... cracking, surveilance, blackmale, bribery.  Yes.  I am suggesting illegal things.

Now here's the irony. Those "illegal things" (manipulation in a word), are considered "therapy" in programs.

[nimdA]

Reminds me alot of the IRA. You get someone who goes bad and you bury him or her face down in a bog. Damn right we attack those advocates that have gone bad.



Once you go bad you aren't an advocate. You are a sell out.

So what is this about you and Izzy now?

[psy]

goodnight my sweet Alex...

Until tomorrow.  

sleep tight Don't let the izzy bite (think "Jaws")

[Karass]

I was trying to say that if this parent does what you say in your post, that perhaps in addition to "contributing to society" they will also refrain from having the urge to search out internet sites such as this one. In other words maybe it will help them get over it more than a parent who just says, hey, get over it kid, it cost me a lot of money, you should be thankful, and blows them off or better yet they are brainwashed fully in program. Thats what I was trying to say in not so many words but I failed. lol

Thanks for clarifying. But I think some people don't just "get over it" so easily -- not just survivors, but even some of us angry ex-program parents who can't believe that this shit exists and that we fell for it. For those of us who have always been rebels, learning about this evil stink, and having our children and to a lesser degree ourselves victimized by this evil stink, and learning about all the thousands of American youth who have suffered...well, it really really pisses me off. And when I get really really pissed off I can't let go until I feel like justice has been served.

That's why I'm still here, still learning, still communicating with would-be naive parent/clients, learning from survivors, and trying to figure out the best strategy to eliminate this scourge from the face of the Earth.

[Anonymous]

Please tell us Alex, what program did your pal Isabelle refer a child to by way of PURE?  Do you even know?  If not, please ask her to tell you the name of this program and any other details about the placements (e.g. age of child, gender, name of transport company (if applicable) and how much Scheff made on her sales commission).

Surely you can understand why the answers to these questions may be helpful but if not - then I suggest you familiarize yourself with the programs PURE has recommended in the past which are NO LONGER in operation.  Ask yourself WHY.

[Karass]

Oh shit, wrong thread to reply to. ops:
Must be my ADD kickin' in...or maybe those beers.