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Offline Karass

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« on: July 06, 2007, 07:03:45 PM »
The private prison industry sounds a lot like the private 'troubled teen' industry. The warden at this GEO Group owned facility ruled “based on verbal and physical intimidation.” Sounds a lot like an adult version of many of the wonderful teen facilities profiled on Fornits.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19638219/
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2007, 01:29:24 AM »
Dude I just came here to post the same story  :rofl: . The parallels between the two industries are just mind bending, the ways of mistreatment seem to be  universal. Question, when do the major players  in the teen help industry get in on this?
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2007, 01:31:53 AM »
I worked with a counselor at 3 springs who used to work at one of those private prisons in the middle of Oklahoma. Striking similarities.. with the exception that the guards carried weapons.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2007, 03:58:21 PM »
I don't see the comparison.

This man was a convicted child molester. He was charged in a court of law and found guilty by a group of his peers.

The kids in these squalid teenage facilities are put there by one or two of their parents. They can be kidnapped in the dark of the night without anyone knowing. This bears more resemblance to political imprisonment from the Soviet gulag system, than does the American justice system.

A comparable case would be if the president of the company you work for decided that you, as an adult, were not living up to your potential as a worker, so you are kidnapped in the dark of the night, and sent to a worker re-education camp. You will be stripped of your dignity and hope, and re-tooled to never enage in such idle thought as questioning your long work day again.

A child molestor slit his own throat. Good for him, the world is better off. I''m sure the victim might of wanted to do it themselves. This guy is so selfish he actually then blames the prison system and gets this posthumous pity party (program language gotta love it). This guy manipulated the media is all.

He had a a grand jury.
A lawyer.
A trial.
A judge.
An appeal.
Access to phones.
Access to letters.
A chance to defend himself in front of his peers.

These kids get:
2 big fat men with handcuffs in their room at 2 AM
or parents lying to them saying it's a summer camp or something

When people are convicted of crimes many times their families rally around them, even murderrs and these piece of shit molesters. The 'state' is a faceless beauracracy trying to break you, in an institution. These programs arei n your face, paid for by only your parents. It is your family that is paying to havce you broken. It is a completely different psychological experience. It would be as if you are charged with a crime and your parents go out for coffee with the prosecutor eah night to talk shit about you and laugh as you go to jail.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2007, 04:04:17 PM »
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Dude I just came here to post the same story  :rofl: . The parallels between the two industries are just mind bending, the ways of mistreatment seem to be  universal. Question, when do the major players  in the teen help industry get in on this?


Child molesters deserve to be mistreated, harshly if possible.

Kids in these teen help industry gulags, did not committ any crime, in almost  allcases, did absolutely nothing wrong. If they did it's usually self-destructive. something deserving of treatment not psychological destruction.

I think by comparing prisons to these teen faciltiies it makes it seem like they are filled with teenage criminal delinquents and nothing ccould be further from the truth. They are filled with good, smart, descrent kids caught up in this wide net they troll parents with.
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2007, 09:12:10 PM »
Dude I get what you're trying to say but abuse is abuse and nothing justifies it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2007, 10:16:13 PM »
What a trip, I just found a similiar site and was going to post.  I can post that link too, if wanted.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2007, 10:17:57 PM »
Ha ha ha, "Simi-Liar" :rofl:  :rofl:
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2007, 10:20:25 PM »
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
Dude I get what you're trying to say but abuse is abuse and nothing justifies it.


Molesting a child does. The comparison doesn't hold water, imo.
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2007, 10:23:15 PM »
Unless of course, you can find a prison full of INNOCENT people that are being mistreated?
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2007, 10:25:48 AM »
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Dude I get what you're trying to say but abuse is abuse and nothing justifies it.

Child abuse justifies it...an eye for an eye.
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2007, 04:50:55 PM »
Really, there's no comparing programs w/ jail, no matter how abusive. Those in jail have legal representation, habeas corpus rights, etc. And usually they've done something wrong. That's a pretty huge difference. They've hurt other people, willingly, knowingly hurt people. And so they are put away so as not to hurt more people. We, on the other hand, were put in abusive places by parents who had decided they didn't like the kid they got, so sent it away to get a new one. My mother paid 150$/day to have me destroyed so that she could get a brand new shinier version of me back. A kid who wasn't interested in social justice, a kid who shaved her legs and wore makeup, and wanted to go to prom. She didn't like me and wanted something prettier. So I was broken in the most horrific of ways.

That is radically different from a child molester having to deal with "water on the floor 24/7" and "a smelly pillow".
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2007, 10:13:31 AM »
You truly put yourself on a slippery slope when you justify abuse based on a persons assumed crimes. If it's ok to abuse a sex offender why not a druggie? or an assumed druggie? What/who's moral scale do we use to tell us who it's ok to mistreatment and for what reason? The people that abused those of you who were in programs held the same basic think you display here. Your label as troubled teen, irrespective of it's bases in reality, was all that was necessary to justify your mistreatment. Not every inmate in these private prisons are sex offenders, or guilty for that matter. So what, are you all subscribing to a circle of loss theory?

Inmates have rights, yes... You as teens had rights. Abuse doesn't respect a persons rights by nature so any argument that inmates have rights is stupid and misses the point. Someone said that child molesters deserve mistreatment? Well you are in luck because they are mistreated, the teenage ones anyway. These kids are not sexual predators, many get locked up for having consensual sex. They face court ordered sex offender "treatment" that includes forced masturbation to sick stories of abuse, skin shocks and the use nauseous agents to aversely affect them sexually, they have to submit to "penis testing" that involves being forced to wear a ring around their privates that measures their response to graphic pornography. These kids are forced to talk about and do things that would emotionally kill the most headstrong adult, not to mention scared and growing children. But it's ok because they are convicted sex offenders who had a trial and lawyer and "rights".  

And what about the lady mentioned on page 2 of the story who killed herself after being sexually assaulted and then sexually humiliated by a GEO guard after reporting to the warden that guards allowed male and female inmates to have sex. Is this ok because she was an inmate?

What happened to you in program wasn't wrong because your mommy did it to you or because you weren't a bad person. The abuse you all experienced would not be ok under some other circumstance. You don't treat people like dogs, abuse is wrong no matter the reason. We can justify all manners of evils if we hold to the believe that these "evils" are ok "sometimes". Please wake up!!! Thats what happened to you!!

This story's parallel to teen programs is that we have people who are locked away in private institutions where their rights are violated, they are lorded over by unqualified and abusive guards who rule with "verbal and physical intimidation", The living conditions mirror what has been said about places like Casa by the Sea, TB and other lock'em up and forget'em teen gulags, and allegations of abuse are ignored( one can assume because just like teen manipulators these people are just inmates). Let me not forget to add that these places rake in a big profit.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2007, 10:39:09 AM »
we as teens had no rights whatsoever! we had no lawyer/public defender and no way of contesting our incarceration. this teen industry goes unregulated and unmonitored and exploites every nonprofit bussiness loophole there is! this is an abusive cult industry fighting the war on drugs not at the boarders but in our backyards making pow's of teenagers stripping them of their dignity, human rights, their hearts and minds berfore they reach adulthood they are broken and trust noone
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2007, 10:44:16 AM »
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You truly put yourself on a slippery slope when you justify abuse based on a persons assumed crimes. If it's ok to abuse a sex offender why not a druggie? or an assumed druggie? What/who's moral scale do we use to tell us who it's ok to mistreatment and for what reason?

Who said anything about assumed crimes? Let's not muddy the waters. Child molestation is CRIMINAL in the true sense of the word and being a "druggie" isn't (well, it shouldn't be), so there is no comparison there.
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