ISABELLE'S STATEMENTS RAISE RED FLAGS

[Anonymous]

Hi Sandy,

Patty responded. She sounds legit, but it's hard to say. Please read her e-mail (below) and see if there are any red flags or inconsistencies that jump out at you. I will wait to hear from you before I respond to her.

The only thing she has going for her is that she holds the $$ - if nothing else this child will have money when he comes home (if he ends up staying in TB - which of course I hope he doesn't).

I need to explain more about coaching and how it has helped keep families together. [Emphasis added] It would be nice if she could convince her sister to try that. One problem is the new husband - very common! These new husbands often have no patience for the wife's teen. I've seen this over and over.

And the girl who is going out, etc., she sounds like a teen doing teen things. [Emphasis added] It sounds to me that she and her mom could be helped with coaching rather than sending this child away. I'd have to know more and be sure the child is not suicidal, etc.

Thanks for keeping me in the loop.

Isabelle

My Opinions:

Sounds "legit"???  

Odd statement to make but I suppose there may be such a thing as illegitmate parents?

"Red flags or inconsistencies"

Another odd statement but I suppose it's an "advocacy" thing?

"I'd have to know more and be sure the child is not suicidal, etc."

Yes, that would be a great idea except for that fact that Isabelle Zehnder is not an M.D. , child psychologist or therapist.

She is a professional "coach".

IMO, this email or letter to Sandy, who is the step-parent of a child once in a program, raises red flags about the need for parents to seek the advice and opinions of persons who are professionally trained and qualified in child and teen adolescent behavior and psychology.

Comments anyone?

[Anonymous]

And just what are the requirements and/or criteria for being a professional coach?

Stay tuned.  Fact-Checker Activated.

[Anonymous]

ISABELLE ZEHNDER
COACH

Isabelle Zehnder is a Professional Life and Family Coach.

She is an Active Member of the International Coaching Federation and an active member of their local Chartered Chapter, the Northwest Coaches Association.

_______________

First, what is the International Coaching Federation?

Is it Self or Independently Regulated?

http://www.coachfederation.org/ICF/For+ ... egulatory/

A:  Appears to be a self-regulated trade org.

How about Ethical Guidelines and their Enforcement?

http://www.coachfederation.org/ICF/For+ ... uidelines/

What are the terms and conditions of working with a professional coach?

Sample Contract

http://www.coachfederation.org/ICF/For+ ... Agreement/

How Does One Become A Credential Coach?

http://www.coachfederation.org/ICF/For+ ... redential/


What are Isabelle Zehnder's Credentials?

Choices: PCC, MCC, ACC

Using the search for each of these credentials, this is what came up:

No result!
Please try again!

Using the search with no credential box checked, this is what came up:

Mrs. Isabelle Nicole Zehnder
Positive Family Solutions, LLC
Battle Ground, WA 98604
Phone: 360.903.3951
Fax: 484.991.1828
E-mail: http://www.isabellezehnder.com
http://www.caica.org
http://www.positivefamilysolutions.com

In perusing each of these websites, I can find no mention of credentials.
Just membership in the ICF and a local chapter.

What credentials does Isabelle Zehnder have?  Are they posted somewhere on these websites that I in error overlooked?  If so, please provide a link.  

Lastly, how does one become a coach and what qualifies them as "professional"?

Are there any independent studies, data, to show the efficacy of "coaching" vs. more traditional forms of counseling and/or therapy?  

What are the potential drawbacks for coaching vs. individual and family therapy?

[Anonymous]

Just in case anyone is confused, LLC is not a credential.

It stands for Limited Liability Corporation.

 :lol:

[psy]

Hi Sandy,

Patty responded. She sounds legit, but it's hard to say. Please read her e-mail (below) and see if there are any red flags or inconsistencies that jump out at you. I will wait to hear from you before I respond to her.

The only thing she has going for her is that she holds the $$ - if nothing else this child will have money when he comes home (if he ends up staying in TB - which of course I hope he doesn't).

I need to explain more about coaching and how it has helped keep families together. [Emphasis added] It would be nice if she could convince her sister to try that. One problem is the new husband - very common! These new husbands often have no patience for the wife's teen. I've seen this over and over.

And the girl who is going out, etc., she sounds like a teen doing teen things. [Emphasis added] It sounds to me that she and her mom could be helped with coaching rather than sending this child away. I'd have to know more and be sure the child is not suicidal, etc.

Thanks for keeping me in the loop.

Isabelle

My Opinions:

Sounds "legit"???  

Odd statement to make but I suppose there may be such a thing as illegitmate parents?

"Red flags or inconsistencies"

Another odd statement but I suppose it's an "advocacy" thing?

"I'd have to know more and be sure the child is not suicidal, etc."

Yes, that would be a great idea except for that fact that Isabelle Zehnder is not an M.D. , child psychologist or therapist.

She is a professional "coach".

IMO, this email or letter to Sandy, who is the step-parent of a child once in a program, raises red flags about the need for parents to seek the advice and opinions of persons who are professionally trained and qualified in child and teen adolescent behavior and psychology.

Comments anyone?

OH MY GOD... This... I didn't do.  Where did this come from?   I think I know where this came from... Thank you.  You know who you are.  Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Psy - it is posted here:

http://pattiatwoods.blogspot.com/

[psy]

Psy - it is posted here:

http://pattiatwoods.blogspot.com/

DAMN... I never imagined she would ADD to the release of information... LOL... It makes sense that only Izzy of Sandy would have access to those emails.  For a second, I thought it might have been Sandy who posted that.  Wow.  In the context of the full dialog, it's very clear what is going on, and I don't think I have to elaborate.

[Anonymous]

Psy - it is posted here:

http://pattiatwoods.blogspot.com/

DAMN... I never imagined she would ADD to the release of information... LOL... It makes sense that only Izzy of Sandy would have access to those emails.  For a second, I thought it might have been Sandy who posted that.  Wow.  In the context of the full dialog, it's very clear what is going on, and I don't think I have to elaborate.

Yes, it does appear the email speaks for itself ... loud and clear.  Just not sure why Izzy posted it given the subject material.  Circuits on overload?  Blog-Itis?

[Anonymous]

How do we know the email to Sandy that Izzy posted is the original and not edited?

To be perfectly fair, we don't.

So what's the point in even posting it on her blog?

I don't get it.

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty sure that's the original email.

I don't understand why Isabelle would post the emails like she did.  I, personally, do not care for my name to keep popping up but I understand why it does.

I grew up being taught that if you don't "feed the fire" it will die down sooner or later.

[Sandy]

I'm pretty sure that's the original email.

I don't understand why Isabelle would post the emails like she did.  I, personally, do not care for my name to keep popping up but I understand why it does.

I grew up being taught that if you don't "feed the fire" it will die down sooner or later.

Oops, didn't realize I wasn't signed in.  I don't post as "guest".

[psy]

I'm pretty sure that's the original email.

I don't understand why Isabelle would post the emails like she did.  I, personally, do not care for my name to keep popping up but I understand why it does.

I grew up being taught that if you don't "feed the fire" it will die down sooner or later.

Oops, didn't realize I wasn't signed in.  I don't post as "guest".

Absolutely, you are correct...  But Isabelle and Sue are the only ones in danger of getting burned.  The school, now defunct, that they are so fond of defending (Whitmore), was VERY abusive (and there is a current case relating to that in progress right now).  Sue Scheff made 10% of every single referral she made to Whitmore (does she tell that to parents?  no.. she lies, as she did before (as was shown in the WWASP vs. PURE trial)).  That's just one of many reasons I have no problem turning up the heat.  Who does Sue Scheff currently refer to?  Who knows!  And yet Isabelle the "advocate" is more than willing to hand out her number... and that of an unlicensed escort service run by "former" WWASP employees who currently work with and recommend WWASP programs.  What kind of an advocate is she?  I don't at all mind seeing her and Sue roast while the truth about them is exposed.

[Anonymous]

Isabelle saying she had permission to give out Sue Scheff's private number when in reality, the number she gave the parent was PURE's business number.

WTF?   Another "whoops" it's ain't my fault excuse from Zehnder?

Come on.  That simply does not pass the smell or giggle test.

 :flame:

[Anonymous]

Seems the PATTI ATWOODS blog has undergone a major "editorial" change.

The emails are gone.  The pictures of Cruella DeVille - Gone.  

Unfortunately, the poem presumably written by Zehnder, is still there.

http://pattiatwoods.blogspot.com/

[Anonymous]

June 27, 2007
Written by:
Editorial Board
Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA)

______________________________________________

There seems to be some question as to who Patti Atwoods is and why it even matters. Patti Atwoods does not exist. She was made up by a deceitful woman - a liar and a fraud - someone claiming to be her in an effort to harm Isabelle Zehnder – a Child and Family Advocate - the Founder and President of the Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA). Patti called from San Antonio, Texas - 210-251-2902.

Patti found Isabelle's friend, Sandy, on MySpace and contacted her. Patti lied to Sandy and to Isabelle. This selfish caller took up over three weeks of precious time that could have been used to help other families. She claimed she wanted to remove her nephew from what she believed was an abusive program.

Why?

It now appears the motive was to try to discredit Isabelle and CAICA who have devoted the past four years to helping families whose children were abused in teen programs and to provide a service to the public by creating what others are calling the most comprehensive website on the topic of institutionalized child abuse.

Isabelle is not radical - she does not believe all programs should be shut down. What Isabelle is trying to accomplish is bringing awareness to the fact that children and teens are being abused in programs and to find a way to not only stop the abuse but to make those who abuse children accountable for their actions. As a result, the people who are radical, who do believe all programs should be shut down, continue to harass and defame both Isabelle and her friend, Sue Scheff. Sue has devoted eight years to helping these families.

Who are these people and what drives them?

We have seen a pattern that victims of abuse in these programs seem to despise anyone and anything that is not in line with their ways of thinking. Perhaps this is a result of the years of abuse they themselves endured. Many were mistreated in teen programs and they are very angry, understandably. Some are people with their own hidden agendas.

The sad thing is that victims are misdirecting their anger. The truth of the matter is there are kids who need help that their parents and local therapists can't provide. The anger should be directed at those who abuse children. And rather than stay angry it would be more useful to the cause if everyone worked to find positive solutions and to try to get this industry regulated so that kids do not have to continue to endure abuse behind closed doors. It is daunting – there is a great deal of work to be done to accomplish this. But Isabelle and those at CAICA believe it is a cause worth defending.

“Patti Atwoods” wasted three weeks of precious time that could have been used to help others. "Her" supporters continue to do everything in their power to discredit Isabelle. We believe they are former program victims. Isabelle continues to receive threatening e-mails from a young man in Virginia who claims he was abused at Benchmark. He does not know Isabelle, he has never spoken with her, and he has no idea the work she has done to help families.

He is sending Isabelle and Sue threatening e-mails which are being taken seriously and that have been forwarded to the proper authorities. There is a fine line between free speech and Internet Slander and Defamation. That line has been crossed.

Posted by Isabelle Zehnder at 2:43 PM 0 comments  

Labels: caica, Isabelle Zehnder, patti atwoods, sue scheff

Since the blog has changed and I did not see the poem I thought I would post this, before it undergoes another change.

There seems to be no limits on the lawsuit threats ect.