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Eva Pappas' "The Other Son," book excerpt
« on: June 21, 2007, 01:09:33 PM »
"The Other Son" came out this past winter and is about one family's experience with an (allegedly drug-abusing) teenage son, and the family's subsequent choice of and dealings with Elan.  Anybody know or remember him?

Eva Pappas is a Clinical Psychologist and Psychoanalyst currently employed as a facilitator of parent groups at the Family Association of Daytop, and the Director of Education of the Daytop Family Association Board.

The excerpt details the "intervention" and transport of Jay Pappas to Elan...

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http://www.theotherson.com/index.html
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Outside, on the dark and empty sidewalk, Charles stands at the curb next to a fire hydrant, bags at his side.  He waits.  His eyes search for the car.  Down the street a car turns, moves toward him but then accelerates as it reaches him.  He looks at his watch, looks up the street again.  He takes a few steps before he realizes he's pacing back and forth.  

Five minutes pass.  He looks up toward our windows sitting in the face of the brick apartment building, hoping to see Jay's bedroom light out, even though he knows Jay's window is on the other side of the building and can't be seen.  He tugs at the arm of his coat, rolls his sleeve back.  His watch says 2:05.  They're late.    

Maybe not.  

A white Lincoln town car turns into the service road, its headlights bouncing through the shadows of parked cars.  Yes, he sees two big men in the front seat as the car comes closer, slows down, and then stops in front of the open space, at the hydrant where he stands.  

The driver steps out and walks to Charles with his hand outstretched.

"Charles?"

Charles reaches to take the man's hand in his.  "I'm glad you're here, I was beginning to worry."

"I'm sorry, we're a few minutes late.  It's nice to meet you.  I'm Brad from Giving Help," he apologizes.  "We had a good trip from Boston, made good time, but we got caught in some construction on I-95.  This is my associate, Peter."  

Charles hands the bags and the envelope with papers to Peter after shaking their hands.  Peter puts the bags and documentation in the trunk of the car, but places the letter in the front seat.  

"What happens now?" asks Charles, curious about what is to come.

"Don't worry about a thing.  We do this all the time," says Brad.  "We'll go up and if Jay's sleeping you'll wake him up and introduce him to us.  Then you and your wife will say your good-byes and leave the apartment."  

"What happens if Jay resists you?" asks Charles.  

In a confident manner that suggests he's been down this path before, Brad answers, "I can tell you with great confidence that 98% of the time after the parents leave, the youngster cooperates and comes with us willingly because he knows it's just him and us.  If he resists, we give him the truth: there is no choice about coming with us.  The choice is about how he comes with us.  We let him know that we have full authority from his parents and that he can either come willingly or he can come shackled, in plastic restraints.  When he hears that and he knows his parents aren't there, he'll cooperate.

"We'll call you every couple of hours on the trip up which should take about six hours, to let you know how Jay is doing.  Most kids sleep on the ride up.  He can stretch out across the back seat. If Jay needs a pit stop or a snack, we'll stop and all go in together.  Trust me, there's no danger of Jay bolting so don't worry about that.

"Some time during the trip, after we know that he's calm and cooperative, we'll give him your letter.  We want to be sure he's in the right frame of mind to read it, and won't just rip it up in anger. We do this because he'll regret it later if he does.  This letter will be his only contact with you for a while, once he enters his program."  

"O.K." Charles takes in a strong, deep breath of the chilled night air and moves forward, signaling them in a determined voice.  "Let's do it."

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The clock radio says 2:12 a.m. when I hear the front door lock turn, ever so softly, a tiny click.  I get up and see Charles tiptoe in quietly, leading the way for the two men behind him.  

It's finally happening!  

Help is coming for my son!


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Charles enters Jay's room first, still wearing his green L.L. Bean jacket.  I follow him, and Brad and Peter come next.  Brad is tall and stocky, the kind of man you'd see standing in front of a nightclub, a bodyguard type.  Peter is even taller but not quite as wide.  Our apartment seems to get much smaller.  

Jay is fast asleep by now.  

Charles turns on the light and begins to shake him gently.  "Jay, get up.  Wake up, we have someone here for you to talk to..."  

I hear myself thinking, Right, we have someone here for you to talk to, at 2 o'clock in the morning...

Jay slowly opens his eyes.  Groggy and saying nothing, he looks at Charles and then at the men. He looks very confused and draws back as if to protect himself.  

"Jay, this is Brad and Peter and they're here to talk to you."  

Brad directs us, "O.K., just say your good-byes."  

"Good-bye, Jay," Charles says softly.  

"Jay, we love you a lot, and we'll see you soon," I say as I turn and leave the room, hiding my tears.  My adrenalin is racing.

I remind myself that things are so bad that we have to do this drastic thing.  We have to say good-bye like this.  Everything has deteriorated.  We have nothing left but manipulations and intimidation.  

I put on my jacket and we leave the apartment.  We take the elevator downstairs where we let ourselves into the storage area and then the laundry room as planned.  We know that at 2 a.m. it will be empty and dark and we can sit there and look out at Jay and the men when they leave the building, without being seen.    

About ten minutes go by before we hear the elevator door open.  We watch as Jay steps out behind Brad, with Peter following, the three of them walking single file.

*  **  ****  **  *

"They didn't restrain him, thank God."

We run to the storage room door, open it a crack and try to position ourselves so we can both see the street outside.  We watch these two big men towering over Jay.   We can't hear what they're saying.  The two men stand by the car with Jay and talk to him for a while.  Then Jay gets into the back seat.  Brad stands by the driver's door, his hands animated in discussion with Jay through the open window.  

After about ten minutes of this both Brad and Peter get into the car, start the engine, and drive away.  Our son is on his way!  

Finally!
 

Eight months have been spent trying to get help for Jay.  Effort after futile effort has been made, running here, running there, listening to "I'm sorry, we have no authority..." and "We have no jurisdiction..."  At last he is going to get help...

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Back upstairs in the apartment, it is so quiet.  Jay's light is still on.  We go in to turn it off, glad for the opportunity to be in his room and feel him.  It's not enough.  I feel empty inside, as if a piece of me is missing.    

As I look around a shock goes through me.  There on his chair are the clothes he wore that day. Jay was so disoriented that he left with the men in his pajamas! My heart goes out to him.  It wants to race the highways and take him his clothes.  My only son is in a car in his pajamas with two strangers!  

I remind myself that this is all necessary.  It has to be like this.  Didn't we try everything else? There was no other way...

*  **  ****  **  *

Neither Charles nor I can sleep.  We toss and turn in bed, each with our own thoughts, sleep nothing more than an elusive hope, waiting for the phone to ring.  At 4:30 a.m. the phone finally rings.  

"Hi, this is Brad.  We're traveling through Connecticut and I just wanted to let you know that Jay is fine.  He's been cooperating.  He's sleeping.  We'll make a pit stop when he wakes up."

"Great, thanks a lot for calling," I say.  "Has he read our letter yet?"  

"Not yet, but we'll give it to him when he wakes up."  

"O.K.," I say.  

"We'll call you again.  Bye."  

"Bye." We sleep fitfully.  

We both feel as though we haven't slept at all.  At about 7:30 a.m. there is another call.

"Hi, Brad here. Jay is fine, we're on the Mass Pike."

"Did he read our letter?" I ask.

"I gave it to him a while ago."

"Is he O.K. about it?"

"He seems fine, quiet."

"Do you know if he still has it or did he rip it up?"

"I didn't hear any ripping noises and I didn't see anything," Brad says.  

"Thanks so much, Brad.  I really appreciate the way you're calling."  

"That’s no problem."

"You know, he left wearing his pajamas.  Can you stop somewhere and let him get dressed before you get to the school?"

"We were planning to stop for breakfast soon.   We'll all go into the men's room and he can dress then.  Would you like to speak to him?"  

"Could I?" I ask.  

"Sure.  Hold on a second."  After a few seconds, Brad comes back on.  "Now I just want you to know this.  I've told Jay that if he shows you any disrespect or any funny business, I yank the phone."  

"O.K.," I say.

"Hello?"

"Hi, Jay, are you O.K.?"  

"I'm O.K., I guess."  

"Jay we had to do it this way.  We need you to get help."  

"U-huh," he says.  

"Do you know where you're going?" I ask.  

"Nooo...," he draws it out.  

"You're being taken up to a school that's not only a school but a place where they will work with you on your life.  You'll get counseling.  You need to work on yourself—your anger and your motivation.  I want you to know that we love you very much and we want you to be happy and we want you to be with us again.  The right way."  

"O.K., Mom."  His voice is tearing me up.  

"I love you.  Take care of yourself.  Hold on to the letter.  It might be our only contact for awhile," I say, struggling against the tears that I know will eventually have their way with me.  "We'll talk when we can."  

"O.K.  Bye Mom."  

And he is gone.  

I find out later that Jay has spoken to not only  Charles and me, but to our daughters Laura and Val along his journey north.  I am very satisfied. Every single one of us has gotten to say our good-byes to Jay with love and care in our hearts and voices.  Jay has heard from each of us how much we love him and how we all stand behind him, in full support.  Now, finally, after eight months of frustration, eight months of crying, pleading, trying to reason with anyone in power and meeting nothing but stone walls, I am hopeful again that my son will get what he needs, for the first time in a long time.  I love him more than I ever knew I could feel.  I have hope for my son.

Lying in bed, the light of a new day painting the walls of our bedroom, Charles and I are quiet. Together.  Not saying a word yet speaking volumes in a warm, comforting quiet, that covers us like a blanket.  The kind of quiet that battle weary soldiers share when there is a pause and they stop to breathe again.

I imagine our son in the hushed quiet, sitting in the back seat of a white Lincoln town car, speeding into the black night, wondering where he is going, alone with these two big strangers.  I imagine him watching the coming dawn.  I wish for the most beautiful colors to light the sky, so he might not be scared.

I picture him opening the envelope Charles delivered to the men.  I see him holding the letter.  I imagine how he must be feeling.  I read the words again, in my own mind, as I imagine them racing through his own.  I wish for our minds to meet out there on that highway.    

This is what the letter says:
    Dear Jay,

    By now you must be wondering what's going on.   Please don't rip this letter up because it may be your only contact with us for a while.  

    We love you and we want you to have a good life and a good future.  We've tried everything but nothing  has worked.  This is our last resort.  We really want you in our family.  You are our only son.  It hurts us to watch what you are doing to yourself.

    We love you very much.  We want to make sure that you have everything in life that you need.  You're a great guy.  We have great respect for you.  But it's like you're hiding behind a shell—a hard shell.

    And you can't grow that way.

    For a long time now we're just watching you not doing any of the normal things for your life, for your age.  We worry about you.  We're afraid for your welfare  and at times we've been afraid for your life.  We can't sit by and allow you to hurt yourself like this, watching your values go off.  We know you don't agree with us  right now.  You don't think anything is wrong.  

    You're 16—you don't see the value of your life.  You don't see what we see.

    Please be open to what's ahead of you and learn all you can.  It will help you to find out for yourself why you have so much anger and no interest in working for your future.  We look forward to the day when we can see you, who you genuinely are, with feelings and dreams.  You have a chance to make a good life for  yourself.  We want you to be together with us again and part of our family.  We all already miss you.

    Always remember that

    We love you,

    Love,
    Mom and Dad
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I was to learn six months later that this was an intervention, a fight for our son's life.
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Same ole story
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2007, 03:17:59 PM »
Yeah I remember when the same thing happened to me. That bastard had to to pull his gun, him and his shitty little son were afraid I was going to rip off his head. His words not mine. What an experience that was, I'll never forget it.
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Eva Pappas' "The Other Son," book excerpt
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2007, 03:50:33 PM »
The Eva Pappas character in that story is... not overly sympathetic.  I really do not find myself rooting for her as she "agonizes" over her decision.  Not sure that's the response she had in mind when she wrote it, ha!
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Eva Pappas' "The Other Son," book excerpt
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2007, 02:29:05 PM »
I wonder if Eve went to any of these places in person.

 My dad told me if he had actually gone to Elan in person he would of never allowed me to go there. All he had was the books they sent him assuring him of how top notch the place was and how good it would be for me.


She aganozied about it and planned it out but she never went to the place in person. That's strange.

I know some kids were a ward of the state and had parents unable to go to Elan first for multitudes of reasons that they will not be crucified for. She appears to be the type of parent that could of gone to Elan first before arranging the men to "grab" her son. They payed for the escorts why not the trip itself to go with their son? They did not have to go in the same car with him but followed behind him.

I am going to check this book out though. I read another one I heard about here and learned tons about the ins and outs of these places like Elan. Very informative.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2007, 10:56:06 AM »
She's based in NYC.  Professional, married to a professional.  Would have been quite feasible to visit for a good first-hand gut impression.

But... it probably wouldn't have made any difference and, for all we know, she may very well have visited beforehand.  

See... she's already in the business herself, as a Psycho-something at Daytop (Joe Ricci's formative influence), so here you have a mindfucker sending their own kid to be mindfucked at a semi-associated institution!
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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2007, 11:59:17 AM »
It's amazing.... If you look at the people who support these programs, typically they would be good enough for other kids, however when it comes to their kids "these places will not do."

This is something I have a problem with is that my parents were passed away and my cousins who were my guardians felt like it would be a good place for me, but when it came to their kids doing the same things that I did. Their kids were just being kids and did not need these places.

I still have a major resentment at them as I still have yet to receive any appology or even any acknowledgement that they done me wrong by sending me there.

I know it's probably wrong, but I really want to tell them what pieces of shit they really are....

Needless to say I like the fact I am in Florida and they are in North Carolina..... Distance helps
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2007, 05:11:24 PM »
You're right about how non parents treat the kids they are in custody of VS the way they treat their biological kids .

 While my dad was not in Heaven, I was not in my dad's custody either.

Sorry for your loss Botched.

 I ended up with my "favorite" Aunt for my 7th and 8th grade years. Part of the 9th too.

She and my Uncle took custody of me and I was living with them. Until the "problems" started everything was hunky dory.

 Her son was a complete asshole when he was in his teens. We are talking a drunk, coke head, violent outbursts, screaming, stealing money from their purses/wallets, Etc. BUT because he had pals from the prep school he attended it was often downplayed by the school and the parents who think the "Boys will be boys" motto is a get out jail free card.


When she asked about her treatment of his problems VS the ways she handled my little ones, in comparison, she made excuses that people saw right through and she got mad when confronted on it.  She claimed it was a different type of behavior that I showed VS his and that I needed "tough love" and that she would not allow me to wreak havoc on her life they way her biological son did. No matter the "damage" done to me and our relationship she was in the right about how to treat and punish me.



 BUT it was ALL my fault and if I was a better kid no one would not have to punish me. Sound familiar anyone?

Over the 2 years I was there I told them about things that happened in my life that were seriously troubling me and I wanted to see a therapist or psychiatrist to get help for them.
Infact it was suggested to ALL of us to get group/family therapy. But like I said I was the "sicko" NOT them.

I finally got to see a good Dr. and she threw the script away he gave me.

When my worker showed up at their door my Aunt and Uncle were like "we don't want her in here" meaning me. My worker begged them to let me pack my stuff as it was October and all I had was 1 pair of shorts to wear. They refused. They said what they gave me was good enough to live in for now and as far as my personal non clothing items went they did not give them to me because they claimed they did not exsist. They were rotten to me and her. She even offered to pack it all for me. We almost called the police to supervise my packing. But decided to leave. THAT was stupid. I needed those clothes. They were mine actually. My dad's child support paid for them.

My worker was like this, they may live in a snooty neighborhood and they may have a house and a few nice cars but take that all away and what you got left is a woman with a dream to fit into a lifestyle that is not her nor will it ever be her. She went into the red credit wise to buy clothes and jewlery to impress the snooty McSnooty's that lived in our neighborhood. They met her and never asked her to go to the country club with them or asked her to dinner with them and that infuriated her to no end.  

 She was catered to and spoiled by my Uncle to keep her out of his hair and to keep her quiet.

 She did not try to help me at all. I begged for help and all I heard was her on the phone talking shit about me. I was not even 14 yet. The things she said were rotten. SHe was also SO intrusive. She read my journals and was repeating the passages to my new friends parents, my other Aunt, my Nana, Etc. It was filled with seriously personal stuff about my dad's abuse of me and so on so forth.

A teacher in school, Mrs.Ruda who was in her late 30's or early 40's was unable to have kids. She was married and she and I bonded. She took me to see tennis matches (I met Michael Chang, Jimmy Connors, John Macenroe, Steffi Graph, Etc.) It was awesome!

She bought me clothes or items I expressed an interest in. She would say they were her old things but I knew they were brand new. My Aunt ruined all the clothing items and broke the non clothing items or threw them out and played dumb when I said they were lost. She told me I was crazy and that I never had that "junk" I claim is missing to begin with. Until I searched the garbage and her closet and unearthed all of my journals, letters, belongings, then she could NOT deny the obvious truth. She was trying to "protect" me she claimed. From what? The footless, lace trimmed tights that were ALL the rage back in the late, late 80's? My hairbows? My "Guess" jeans? My "Tiger Beat" magazine collection? My mascara? my curling iron?

My aunt HATED her and was jealous of her. Mrs.Ruda got a respect from me, my aunt never did and that burned her up to see me bond with this mother figure she was supposed to be to me. My mom left before I turned 2 and my aunt who always wanted a girl but got 2 boys thought she could be my mom. She tried to get my dad to give me to her when I was a baby! My dad raised me all alone instead. He got help from them and other trusted family friends.

I told her why me and Eileen Ruda were close and she could not fathom it. She ruined the relationship by calling the school and Eileen's husband to complain. She called multiple times. Mrs.Ruda eventually left on her own. She was saddened by my situation and the lack of seriousness the school was taking with my problems.

Auntie dearest called ALL of my friends parents and told them a lot of shit about me and what I had been through. She told them I was "sick in the head" and would "drag their kids down". I was "damaged" goods and to not let their daughters bother with me because I was uncapable of forming a friendship bond. I guess all the "Best Friend" knecklaces I was given the other halfs to meant nothing to her or anyone else. I had 6 of the freakin things!

Needless to say I lost ALL of my friends in less than 1 month. Following a betrayal by my ex BFF I ended up leaving the school. I just never went back and hid in the woods by my house all day until school was out. That lasted a few weeks then I was put in a school for delinquents. I made "bad" new friends and began my "Fuck you and I am sick of your treatment of me" campaign.

I never drank, got high, had sex, stolen anything, Etc. I talked on the phone a lot and kept a messy room. I back talked too and had bad grades. I needed help learning certain things, like math. I was easily distracted in class. I liked to go out on Fridays with my pals and watch a movie or walk around. That was the thing to do on Friday nights in my town. Everyone hung out in downtown. It was safe and there was a police presence due to the nice and fancy schmancy stores.

Even my pals (up until she ruined the friendships) were good kids.

I do not know to this day what went wrong and when it went wrong. It just all smashed me in the face out of the clear blue sky. I was confused and depressed and livid when the sadness eventually wore off.  

My Aunt is VERY ill now. Has been for years.She ended up with some type of organic degenerative brain disorder. We all thought it was Alzheimers but the symptoms were not consistent. They were consistent with advanced "Lyme Disease" however. I wish her no pain or harm. I love her as a blood relative should.

When she passes away my family is "extinct". All there will be left of us is a few cousins born to my dad's 2 sisters. There are 4 of us total. All of my cousins are older than I. I am in my early 30's and they are late 40's. Maybe early 50's.

NONE of us are close nor do we remain in contact despite the fact we all live within a 1/2 hour drive of one another.

So you see a lot of us went through similar shit when we were young un's.

It is sad to see so many with big families take them for granted. Then you get people like us with next to nothing for a family. We would "kill" to have a nice place to go on the holidays.
It is nice to be with your significant others family on the holidays or your friends family but they do not "beat" having your own large, warm family to go to on Christmas.

I remember the smells of yummy Thanksgiving Day dinners being cooked at Nana's. I loved the rolls with real butter melting on them, the special stuffing my auntie made was so yummy, the turkey (white meat) with hot gravy and yummy potatoes (sweet and mashed), the cranberry sauce (smooth NOT chunky) , the greenbean casserole recipe taken off of the "Campbells Soup Can" was so yummy and it was amazing how those things mixed together would be THAT tempting and pleasing to the pallet. LOL.... Herbie (step-grandpa) made this salad dressing that was extrodinary, it was a vinagrette type dressing. Homemade and the recipe IS guarded. LOL...


I try to remember the good times when it comes to my family. It makes life a little less bitter.

No matter my feeling towards their actions or how they treated (or mistreated me) I still love them and hope for the best in the future for all of us. It's all I can do right about now.

Family issues like these are hard. If they were NOT blood related it would be easier to walk away and say "fuck you very much". We may stray from the pasture but eventually make it home when push comes to shove. When we get word that one of ours is hurting or in trouble we do go to their side and all of the past hurts are momentarily forgotten about.
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2007, 05:58:11 PM »
Damn...... All I can say is "WOW" .... So much of the stuff you said I could relate to. The "Family Stuff," the extinction in my family is sure to come as well. When you talked about how your "Auntie" was to you, it reminded me of my situation.

Your words are very powerful.

But for me, I find it hard to have the forgiveness you express. My heart I guess has blackened from the experience and has turned me cold over the years.

Again much respect goes to you.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2007, 12:14:13 AM »
Kudos to the both of you for the slices from your life stories, java.gurl and Botched Programming!  I tip my hat to the magnanimousness of your gifts!  That is some heavy duty shit you both are contending with.

As to myself, my family is still more or less intact, save for the death of my father (my sole, albeit occasional, champion and mentor).  They sold me down the river to the program, and have maintained their superior stance ever since.  It is not a subject that can be safely discussed without risking dissolution of all family ties.  I try to create some kind of lemonade from these fruits, but it gets damn hard sometimes, especially at night...
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2007, 11:32:21 AM »
I hear ya both.

 It was very hard for me to "confront" these people in my life like my aunt as to why she did me so wrong without her freaking out and putting all the blame on me, the Pope, the stray cat outside, the President, Etc.

I never once got an apology from her.

I was there for some holiday back in 95/96/97 era. And she lost the gold watch that belonged to my Nana behind her microwave.

She called my dad the next day and told him that either I or my boyfriend stole her watch!

I was livid as was he. He told her that she was needed to lay off of me and to look harder for it. She said that we were "poor" that is why we stole it. She bellyached about not having a lot of her moms jewlery and I stole a sentimental piece. My dad actually laid a gold bracelet aside for me after his 2 vulcher sisters ransacked her jewlery box less than 1 week after her death! And one of them took the bracelet. One is dead now and her daughter, my cousin has her jewlery. My other Aunt has only sons so they will not want my Nana's watch.

 Anywho, she found the watch after all her shit talk and called my daddy all sad sounding apologizing to him and he told her call her niece and tell it to me.

She called me and I showed no mercy. I was pissed off at her. And I let her know it and I told her that her apology is way to late and it is not accepted nor will it ever be.  


I am not cruel to her nor do I wish her harm but I am so saddened by her and her treatment of me at such a young, vulnerable age. I missed out on a lot in my young life. And yes at times I will have a one person pity party. I can do that if I want. As long as it stays in check and does not run my life and I stay in reality with it.

I feel sorry for myself and at times I need to tell myself to get over it.

I am only human after all.
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