Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Sex occurs on campus
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---You were suppose to get into trouble if it turns out you knew something that came out and you didn't write it on fall out. That is how I did it with my groups. I would always tell me kids that fallout was a way for them to stay out of trouble, not get in to it.
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With whom? Sure didn't keep them out of trouble with their peers. How many kids were victims of retaliation?
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You always take a risk when you tell on someone. I expected the kids to tell when they knew that someone was putting themselves or someone else in danger. You don't seem to agree with that. That's fine. If my child were doing drugs on campus and another student knew about it, I hope they would tell on my kid.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Deborah"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I have no problem admitting that it is not effective. The most meaningful "fallout" that I received from kids was when I was able to help cultivate an atmosphere of genuine caring within the Peer Group. Then the kids would come to me on their own and tell me things that they were concerned about among their peers.
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The question: why weren't they coming to you with issue about themselves that caused them concern?
Might've been genuine, but I can see how this could just be a different technique for narcing.
How did you determine if a kid was guilty of the allegations? How did you know who was lying? Did you ever apologize for wrongly punishing?
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They did come to me with issues that concerned themselves.
There were definitely times when kids were just trying to get someone in trouble. I dealt with that as a separate issue. I would investigate the allegations before putting kids on restrictions.
There is only one time that I know of that I put a kid on restriction when they did not deserve it. How do I know? I asked every kid before they left the school. Every time, except for once, I got the answer that they had done it every time I put them on. The one that said I put him on when he didn't do it told me that it was okay, when I apologized to him. He said, "I just looked at that restriction as being for all the things I did that you never caught me for."
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---the fallout system is a load of crap. first, kids dont narc becouse not minding your own bussiness is as unethical as rape or murder. especially for kids who grow up in urban areas, everyone knows snitches get stitches.
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Nice code of ethics you have there. How about running that by someone who has been raped and see if they agree with you.
Deborah:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Deborah"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---You were suppose to get into trouble if it turns out you knew something that came out and you didn't write it on fall out. That is how I did it with my groups. I would always tell me kids that fallout was a way for them to stay out of trouble, not get in to it.
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With whom? Sure didn't keep them out of trouble with their peers. How many kids were victims of retaliation?
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You always take a risk when you tell on someone. I expected the kids to tell when they knew that someone was putting themselves or someone else in danger. You don't seem to agree with that. That's fine.
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How many kids were in imminent danger and how many were "holding hands with the opposite sex"?
--- Quote ---If my child were doing drugs on campus and another student knew about it, I hope they would tell on my kid.
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If a staff was abusing my son, I hope another staff would tell on him/her. How often does that happen???? In my experience.... Never. Isn't it true that there is a double-standard in operation at HLA, okay for staff not to tattletale, but kids are required?
You know the #1 thing kids HATE? Double-standards. Discrepency. Staff exhibiting these will never gain the kids full trust or respect. That's a fundamental flaw in all programs.
Anonymous:
Fall Out is a load of crap. Kids would make stuff up about each other or they'd make stuff up about themselves just to get out of Fall Out. My child's counselor wouldn't let the kids leave Fall Out until they wrote something because he swore he knew they had done something wrong and just needed to admit it - how screwed up is that??? And when the kids were honest about events that occurred or their feelings, he'd put them on Restrictions (yes, even for things that weren't considered "restriction" rules). Now you tell me how that is therapeutic?
The only thing he accomplished was making kids fear and resent telling the truth because they would be punished for being honest. The end result was the kids would lie or hide their feelings or make things up that weren't quite so bad so the punishment wouldn't be so severe and the counselor would be satisfied that he'd made breakthroughs with these kids. Pathetic? Yes. Therapeutic? Not one bit.
Retaliation? Oh yeah - Talk to the boys about getting the crap beaten out of them at night. It's well known if you "snitched" you'd were going to get an ass beating. The boys would distract the night staff and then beat up the "snitch". Most of the times this occurred in the bathrooms because it was easy to trap a kid in there while another group had the night staff distracted out in the hallway or one of the bedrooms.
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