Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
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Deborah:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---With all of this "fall-out" being given recently on this sight I am having trouble understanding posts in the past that said staff would ride you during fall out sessions until you made something up even if you didn't know anything. It seems to me that you would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind not to have any fall out to write down.
Whether or not you think fall out is a good idea, you have to admit that when kids said that they didn't know anything they were full of crap. Can someone on here at least admit that? Even if you think the whole concept of fall out is evil.
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The narc method isn't 'effective'. It doesn't work. Can you just admit that. Short on the real skills needed for working with teens, programs resort to such BS and call it 'therapy'. Did even one kid in the history of HLA "agree" to the "agreements". Isn't that manipulation on the part of the program? Rules are rules. Call them that. Narcing is narcing. And if the rules weren't so unrealistic and the consequences so severe, perhaps there 'might' be more narcing.
Lots of survivors read/post here. Ask them why they didn't narc on their friends. Why it wasn't effective.
Anonymous:
I get what you are saying and can agree with you way of thinking. I am just looking for someone to stand up and say that it is a load of crap for a student at HLA to say "I don't know anything" in regards to fall out.
Anonymous:
Also...I know a lot of counselors didn't do it this way but the way it was SUPPOSED to happen is that you were not to get into trouble if you came out with something on fall out. You were suppose to get into trouble if it turns out you knew something that came out and you didn't write it on fall out. That is how I did it with my groups. I would always tell me kids that fallout was a way for them to stay out of trouble, not get in to it. They other way makes no sense at all. You are right that it encourages lying. I never put a kid on restriction for knowing something about another student as long as they put it on their fall out list.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---The narc method isn't 'effective'. It doesn't work. Can you just admit that. Short on the real skills needed for working with teens, programs resort to such BS and call it 'therapy'. Did even one kid in the history of HLA "agree" to the "agreements". Isn't that manipulation on the part of the program? Rules are rules. Call them that. Narcing is narcing. And if the rules weren't so unrealistic and the consequences so severe, perhaps there 'might' be more narcing.
Lots of survivors read/post here. Ask them why they didn't narc on their friends. Why it wasn't effective.
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I have no problem admitting that it is not effective. The most meaningful "fallout" that I received from kids was when I was able to help cultivate an atmosphere of genuine caring within the Peer Group. Then the kids would come to me on their own and tell me things that they were concerned about among their peers. I also told them that I didn't care about getting any fallout unless it had to do with one of the three main agreements or if they new someone was running away. I really couldn't care less about the little rules in regards to fall out.
Now, and this is really geared toward the kids, will someone admit that students are full of it when they say that they don't know anything.
RobertBruce:
No.
Here's the best way to describe it:
"Most of the time they screamed abuse at him and threatened at every hesitation to deliver him over to the guards again; but sometimes they would suddenly change their tune, call him comrade, appeal to him in the name of Ingsoc and Big Brother, and ask him sorrowfully whether even now, he had not enough loyalty to the Party left to make him wish to undo the evil he had done. When his nerves were in rags after hours of questioning, even this appeal could reduce him to sniveling tears. In the end the nagging voices broke him down more completely than the boots and fists of the guards. He became simply a mouth that uttered, a hand that signed whatever was demanded of him. His sole concern was to find out what they wanted him to confess, and then confess it quickly, before the bullying started anew. He confessed to assassination of eminent Party members, the distribution of seditious pamphlets, embezzlement of public funds, sale of military secrets, sabotage of every kind. He confessed that he had been a spy in the pay of the Eastasian government as far back as 1968. He confessed that he was a religious believer, an admirer of capitalism, and a sexual pervert. He confessed that he had murdered his wife, although he knew , and his questioners must have known, that his wife was still alive. He confessed that for years he had been in personal touch with Goldstein and had been a member of an underground organization which had included almost every human being he had ever known. It was easier to confess everything and implicate everybody. Besides in a sense it swas all true. It was true that he had been the enemy of the Party, and in the eyes of the Party there was no distinction between the thought and the deed."
That was a fallout session right there, it didnt matter whether you knew anything or not, and often you didnt. It was more important that you confess something, anything, whether it was true or not was irrellevant.
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