Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.

[Anonymous]

If you only knew how many kids are out because she helped you'd stop nagging on this issue.

How many?

You know what? Any normal person will get it.

How many programs have you set foot in , in your entire life?

[Anonymous]

No one is using me to further their cause. But, if you want to talk about people using people, I can share a story with you about someone calling me in May of last year claiming to be doing a report. I believe this person was using me to get information to use towards re-incarnating her website.

Nope, don't think so Cathy. Your daugther is not the only child who has died, there are plenty of others unfortunately. I don't think anyone would try to take your daughter's story for the purpose of re-incarnating their site. Now that doesn't even make sense. No offense, truly sorry you lost your daughter. But it's no reason to attack someone else. If you're talking about Isabelle I know she spent a lot of money to go be with you at the march in Sacramento because she cared. She doesn't need your story, she's got so many she can barely keep up with it all.

Time to move on.

"Time to move on" .. why are you advocating for kids if this is how you talk to their parents after they are killed?

[Anonymous]

Oh yeah, Izzy is a victim of the "industry". That explains why she fucked up ISAC's investigation of Majestic Ranch when she was running Kids in Captivity and called herself an "investigative journalist".

http://caica.org/KIC%20Main.htm

[Anonymous]

Psy

Am I reading your post wrong?  Did you actually work in the industry and get paid big bucks too?  Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?  You said the industry is so bad, and you were in a program, yet when you got out you went to work doing the same thing you now deplore.

[Anonymous]

Guest

Apparently the only one who needs her story is Fornits.

[Anonymous]

Edit: PS: the entire purpose of Patti Atwoods was to find out if Isabelle Zehnder was secretly referring to PURE and/or programs and/or escort services. It's called investigative reporting. Isabelle failed the honesty test as her actions show she violates her own disclaimer of neutrality when it suits her. She can scream "I WAS DUPED" all she wants, for all I care, it merely shows how upset she is at getting caught with her hand in the cookie jar.

Did you read the Blog? Did you read where Patti (you) insisted on a driver for the ADULTS to the facility and back to the airport because they didn't trust Jamaican drivers.

Did you read that the child would never be alone with the driver? S

o what would it matter who this was. Do you do a background check on every taxi driver you hire? This was not used to transport a child.

Patti asked for Sue's number. The kid couldn't come home so tell me what you would have done? Sue's investigating these schools so when parents have to have a place when they are dangerous and they have to be put in a facility. Some of these kids are a danger to themselves and or society. Who else is doing what it takes find safe places?

You say no schools, no programs, so you let them go into the jsutice system? Do you know what's happening t kids there?  Is this the alternative you would suggest?

I think your time would be better spent helping parents and kids in a productive way instead of continuing to try to destroy the people who are actually making a positive difference in the lives of these kids.

Think about how far we've actually come because of these dedicated people and others who are helping them. You want names of other professionals and wonder why you dont' get them? It's because you so-called "advocates" are sending slanderous e-mails around to try to discredit them. How's that helping the cause?

And you might know that a lot of people are more loyal to them than you think and they're forwarding those e-mails to Isabelle. I know, I've seen them. So stop it and do something good and productive for a change.

[Anonymous]

Come on--give it a rest.
Some person contacts Izzy and says "Give me name of your friend SUE who refers children to programs?"

[Anonymous]

Oh yeah, Izzy is a victim of the "industry". That explains why she fucked up ISAC's investigation of Majestic Ranch when she was running Kids in Captivity and called herself an "investigative journalist".

http://caica.org/KIC%20Main.htm

The ISAC report on Majestic is superior to this amatuer effort by Izzy.

Stop promoting your website and yourself, Izzy, it's downright embarassing that apparently, you have nothing better to do with your time.

Show come self-restraint, woman!

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Psy

Am I reading your post wrong?  Did you actually work in the industry and get paid big bucks too?  Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?  You said the industry is so bad, and you were in a program, yet when you got out you went to work doing the same thing you now deplore.

Yes you read it wrong. He was held captive in a duckfarm, but never worked in one.

[Anonymous]

Come on--give it a rest.
Some person contacts Izzy and says "Give me name of your friend SUE who refers children to programs?"

Exactly. They sometimes find Sue before Isabelle. Most of the time in fact. Sue tells them to call her, that's what she's done with many people. I know a mom who was about to put her daughter in another program after she took her out of a WWASPS facitliy. Sue told her she shoudl call Isabelle first and that little girl has been home since. There are hundreds of others like this.

What i find sad is you have no idea what Isabelle does. You have listened to what someone has told you. She has coached so many parents and kids to keep them home and she never charged the families a dime. I knwo she worked with one family for five months to help them to keep a girl out of programs.

So you give it up. Figure it out that you have been wrong. Setting up an advocate like someone did with Patti Atwoods was really underhanded and horrible. It's one thing to do that with a program you think is abusive but come one. Patti asked leading questions that gave Isabelle no other options.

It was Patti who wanted the name of the transport company another mother had used only to transport adults back and forth from the airport to the proram. Sure the kid would have been in the car coming back but he was flying home with his family. Not with the transport. Did you read? Who cares who the guy was? Good point was do you do a background check on taxi drivers? That's all this guy was to them.

And it was Patti who insisted she have the name of programs for her sister or else the kid might have stayed where he was in Jamaica. Worse they talked about putting him into antoher program Patti was afraid of because they were part of the lawsuit.

So get the story straight.

[Froderik]

Q. Have Izzy & Sue ever licked each other?

[Anonymous]

If anyone can keep a child from going into or back into any program, I say Hooray!  All the rest of this crap is amature hour.  

I'd hate to be an advocate in this day and age.  You have people praising you on one hand for the good work you're doing, and someone else comes along and deviously tries to discredit you under false pretences.  Says a lot about a person/entity.  Maybe more therapy is in order.

Psy, who stands to gain by this out and out witch hunt?

[Anonymous]

Yes.  I always ask my cab driver for their resume.  Don't you?  I thought everyone did.

[Anonymous]

The only thing I see here is that Isabelle felt bad for this so-called parent, and went beyond the realm of what she normally would do because the parent professed to be so desperate, and tugged at Isabelle's heartstrings.  That's vicious.  And I don't believe it was to tie anyone to anyone, I think it was done to destroy Isabelle to better themselves.

So Patti, what's the name of your advocacy agency?  How much money do you stand to gain?  Who are you referring?  Who have you referred parents to?  Come out with it, or are you planning on starting a company and selling yourself as the "better advocate"?

Somthing does smell here, and it's Patti.  Whose using Psy, whose using, yada yada yada

[Anonymous]

who stands to gain by this out and out witch hunt?

Who stands to gain from the witch hunt done by those blogs about Joyce and Carey, and others who have dared to speak out?

Then come here and act like it is sooo terrible to ask questions about organizations who claim to be protecting children, but are collecting fees for professional services without any qualifications.
Attacking parents who are speaking out, and true advocates.

On top of that attacking victims of programs....How professional is that?

Then threaten lawsuits ect.
I just don't get it.