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TheWho:

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--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---I think the term abuse is relative and calling a school abusive can carry different meanings for different kids.  When we were in highschool many thought they could get a lawyer to allow them to chew gum in school because it wasn’t illegal and there were no laws against it.  They felt the school was being abusive towards them, so I can see your point.
Thanks Covergaard
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Yes, Turn-about would be abusive for an European teenager, who have lived a life with free access those things. If someone forced you to live in Saud-Arabia where there is no alcohol at all (not official and severely punished with whippings, if your are caught) I think that you also would find it too much. That is exactly what happened to these teenager in "Brat Camp" and "Teenager ausser Kontrolle", which came from UK, The Netherlands and Germany.

Second of all I find it very hard to understand why a POW can have more rights than a child at the ranch. Our troops in Iraq arrested some terrorists and forced them to sit in a stone circle for 5 hours. That incident went to trial and it was illegal. But sitting in stone circle all day is reality for the teenagers placed in Roundy. Please explain to me why a suicide bomber should be better protected than a child.
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POW’s have the Geneva Convention which is a set of rules that need to be followed regardless of what country they are from.  Some countries may find them non-abusive others may not, but they need to be followed regardless.  There are laws that are set up to protect children in the US and agencies dedicated to protecting them (i.e. department of Social services).  But for the most part it is left up to the discretion of the individual families/parents to define appropriate discipline.   The definition of abuse varies greatly in the US.  There are some groups who feel it is abusive to spank your kid or take away their cell phones and like you said in Saudi Arabia it is okay to whip the kids.

So in some respects the suicide bombers appear to have more rights because they are so well defined and each country needs to be held accountable and the visibility is greater.  But there is less tolerance towards people who abuse kids in this country than towards suicide bombers.

hanzomon4:
No they whip adults in Saudi Arabia, and kids but...

Oz girl:
I dont think i have ever met an American who has said they think it is abusive to take away a cell phone. Does anybody know such a person?
But speaking of Abuse. in the event that a kid uses group therapy or even its one on 1 version to claim that they are a victim or physical or sexual abuse at home it represents a potential conflict of itnerest for the program. If it enacts its moral and in some states legal duty and reports such a thing to the appropriate authorities it stands to loose a lot of money.
 I wonder how many programs have actually done this? Those who worked in a program- What was the precedure when Jr would claim daddy innapropriately touched?

nimdA:
Couldn't do much as supposedly it represented a conflict of interest given the fact that daddy was paying for junior.

All in all a neat way to shut your abused kid up for a few years.

hanzomon4:
Nope we don't consider withholding cigarettes, liquor, or cell phones abusive. What you read in survivor statements is what we consider abuse. I won't go over the bullet points because the who knows them.

I think in the Who's Watching the Kids? Documentary they show how a girl was sent to SCL before she could report abuse at home, or something like that. I also remember a particularly disgusting account given by a woman who was sexually abused by her father, she was sent to a Lester Roloff home and later to a place in Louisiana I think, New Bethany? She had been involved with the cps system but when the pressure started to mount he sent her away. She endured some sick "treatment" and even worse beatings, in program and at home. But yeah it happens I'm sure.

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