Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Academy at Swift River - Split from TTI
Troll Control:
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--- Quote --- We all know these places don't resemble high schools
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We do?
--- Quote --- For now, I'll have to go with the reports of attendees and a former staff member that there is indeed no phone to report abuse rather than your speculation about the matter.
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The staff member may be right, he knows more than I do if he worked there.
I didn’t see where I was speculating, just passing along what I know. I don’t see a problem with their set up, personally, it seems to work well for the kids and the parents. I think what many kids would like is more phone time not privacy, is the feed back I have heard. If they feel they are being unfairly treated they should tell their parents when they talk to them.
If someone feels this falls short of a standard it should be brought to someone’s attention to get it clarified, so they can be comfortable with it, I don’t see this as a big deal to resolve.
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OK, this is what I wanted to know and for you to enumerate. Even if it's illegal to treat children this way, it's fine with you. If you feel otherwise, then who better to resolve it than you? You are the one that has hooks in ASR - ask them for a response and post the abuse hotline number if they have one. "I know it's illegal, but I won't lift a finger to get it resolved or up to code"? What happened to caring about the kids' legal rights?
Once more, it's the law that any child in treatment must have access to a free phone to report abuse. You are saying it's OK with you and you condone (or at least won't bother to look into it) that the children aren't being treated in accordance with the law. Thank you at least for admitting it to us.
psy:
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--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---
--- Quote --- We all know these places don't resemble high schools
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We do?
--- Quote --- For now, I'll have to go with the reports of attendees and a former staff member that there is indeed no phone to report abuse rather than your speculation about the matter.
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The staff member may be right, he knows more than I do if he worked there.
I didn’t see where I was speculating, just passing along what I know. I don’t see a problem with their set up, personally, it seems to work well for the kids and the parents. I think what many kids would like is more phone time not privacy, is the feed back I have heard. If they feel they are being unfairly treated they should tell their parents when they talk to them.
If someone feels this falls short of a standard it should be brought to someone’s attention to get it clarified, so they can be comfortable with it, I don’t see this as a big deal to resolve.
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OK, this is what I wanted to know and for you to enumerate. Even if it's illegal to treat children this way, it's fine with you. If you feel otherwise, then who better to resolve it than you? You are the one that has hooks in ASR - ask them for a response and post the abuse hotline number if they have one. "I know it's illegal, but I won't lift a finger to get it resolved or up to code"? What happened to caring about the kids' legal rights?
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They're property.
--- Quote ---Once more, it's the law that any child in treatment must have access to a free phone to report abuse. You are saying it's OK with you and you condone (or at least won't bother to look into it) that the children aren't being treated in accordance with the law. Thank you at least for admitting it to us.
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You're fighting a losing battle. This is a parent who will always find another excuse, no matter how many you blow away. He needs to believe.
TheWho:
--- Quote --- Hmm... Never alone communicating with parents. Daughter believes ASR not to be abusive (don't leave until you believe that...). Hey... A girl wrote a book about PV claiming it wasn't abusive... When you read what she went through in detail... it was abuse. but abuse is one of those thigns that was redefined... Where are the counterpoints here?
Oh it does not matter if there are mountains of evidence against ASR or not. The school is young. The milieu control is in place (that means communications) as well as other factors which make it easy to contain abuse if it did exist.
So you want to really know what happened. Go read some of what other survivors of ASR had to say, and ask your daughter about those specific allegations. My guess is you'd be surprised at what she doesn't consider abuse.
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Very suspicious of these places I can see. It is for good reason, I am sure. But not all experiences need to be the same.
Look at it this way:
Abuse can be defined and it is also relative. Restraining a child in a car seat for 4 hours will be criminal in 100 years, now we call it safety and you get fined if they are not restrained. Go figure………
Now we count calories and we need to be within a certain range or it is abusive, which is great, I agree with it. But we are the most over weight country in the world (maybe not, I am guessing) so these numbers may change, lets not jump and put an abuse label on every parameter that defines comfort.
When I was young we didn’t have access to phones, period, abuse or no abuse. Now restricting access to a phone seems to be a problem for some people, next each person will need to be connected 24/7, which is great we can accommodate that. We just need to adjust and grow as these things get redefined.
Sorry… going on again… guess I don’t feel we need to define every parameter of our lives so closely. There are reasons for some of the phone restrictions so there should be some latitude given in some circumstances.
TheWho:
--- Quote --- Once more, it's the law that any child in treatment must have access to a free phone to report abuse. You are saying it's OK with you and you condone (or at least won't bother to look into it) that the children aren't being treated in accordance with the law. Thank you at least for admitting it to us.
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Maybe they do! Maybe they have night staff people with cell phones or a designated counselor that they report problems to who carries a phone at all times. The law may have been written before the use of cell phones…lets not be too quick to condemn. I have been there I know there are offices and phones everywhere if kids needed help.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---You're fighting a losing battle. This is a parent who will always find another excuse, no matter how many you blow away. He needs to believe.
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I know what you're saying. I'm not fighting with him. I just wanted him to put it in writing that he knows that ASR is acting illegally and doesn't care, or that he's unsure if ASR is acting illegally and cares so little about the kids he claims to want to help that he won't check and verify, even though he has ready contacts that can answer the question in one quick call or email (but since I don't trust him to report accurately, all I want is the number to the abuse hotline so I can verify with the Commonwealth).
It's not like I don't know where this is going; you see he's already ignored the point completely, said he's fine with the way ASR does things and won't make any effort to insure the kids are being treated in accordance with their lawful rights.
I already know that there is no abuse hotline and the kids can't make private calls to anyone (as reported by a former and pro-ASR staffer in the ASR thread and several former attendees), much less the watchdogs. I simply wanted to illustrate that The Who cares not one iota if the kids are treated illegally and stripped of their human and constitutional rights. The point has been made with extreme clarity: Illegal or not, he condones it and actively supports it.
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