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Antigen:

--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Ive been rereading my last post. Who do you fight, I ask in my last post.. and I have no realized the answer is, myself. The only thing left to fight is an internal battle, trying to remove the implanted psychological bullshit and self doubt that inevitably comes from being held hostage from love, family, society and respect so long as you withhold yourself. I think its hard to give up withholding self from that point on since its the only things that kept you, you.
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I've been rereading it too. There's just so much in there. You think you're the enemy or the enemy is within you? Phfft! I think you've got some shit on the ball there, gal!

Btw, was talking to a friend last night who posts around here quite often. He said you 'tick tock' post was the best he'd ever seen on here. I agree.

Who or what to fight and how has been the most pressing question on my mind for some time now. Your background is so much like mine my heart bleeds for you.

Antigen:

--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I think we are all painfully aware that there is a net right below our feet ready to entrap us if we should take just one wrong step. Once you know that, experience it and feel it, it's hard to go back to not seeing all the fucking cracks in the sidewalk from then on, it really is impossible. You see just how close everyone else is to that cliff, as if they don't even see the edge.. and here we are running in the opposite direction, screaming back to them, get back you ignorant fuck!! Which can make you seem crazy.

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Oh, crazy you are not! Your choice of words reminds me of Catcher in the Rye, though. lol


--- Quote ---I can't just sit around and talk about it like we are talking about politics or something. To me its unresolved. It never will be, because in order to do so I would have to enter battle and either win or die trying, and I am dead serious about that.

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I think you've identified a big part of the problem right here. It's the way in which people 'talk politics' these days, like it's just a diversion to take up time between football games or something. As if our interests and our ideas don't matter--as if the idea of government by, for and of free sovereign people is just a quaint notion, not a way of life that we now celebrate w/ pyrotechnics every summer under the watchful eye of armed officers after we've passed through all the 'safety' checkpoints and such.


--- Quote ---It's the whole damn enchilada, and I am not quite sure whether I am allergic to just the peppers inside or the whole damn thing.

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I hear ya! It's incredibly hard to invest yourself in a society that condones, sometimes stands and cheers what they've done to us.


--- Quote ---So I don't know, I come here expecting to find answers and solutions so it's disheartening to read through some of this stuff. But it feels good, just to know, that others are out there.. but depressing at the same time. When you read about program survivors from programs 20 years ago, waking up, still having nightmares. It can get kind of scary.

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I wish I had a definitive answer for you. Hell, I wish I had one for myself! My friend said art is the answer. I've thought that often, but art takes a generation to seep in, or so says my friend. I want it NOW, damn it! lol


--- Quote ---I was thinking maybe a new forum might be in order for the abuse that takes place in regulated medical facilities and group homes, like psychiatric hospitals, and half way houses. I have a lot of stories from these types of places but I am never sure where to place than and just focus on my time in private programs, but its hard to tell a complete story.

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Now that I can answer!

Public Sector Gulags
Just like any good welfare mama, The Toughlove Hategroup has it's friends in government and gets is handouts. Here's a place for discussion of public sector gulags like the Florida State run Boot Camp where Martin Lee Anderson was killed. Florida also runs wilderness programs, like Eckerd Camp and the Sheriff's Boys and Girls Ranches. And it seems their already bad track record has taken a considerable dive since Brother JEB! took up residence in a public housing unit in Tallahassee.
Moderator Nobody
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--- Quote ---Like you say, DARE and public school, it starts early, and to suggest this is the result of only private programs is only telling half the story.
I like talking to the older survivors the most because they are further from the program and more chill.
ANd when I sawy the 'program' I am talking not hjust about private programs and such, but program families and all that kind of shit. Growing up in a fanatical AA family I feel like I was in a program from my earliest memories..and then prgoram after program after that. I was just fulfilling my destiny. 90 meetings in 90 days, whos up for it. lol
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No shit, me too! Almost all my nightmares used to be about waking up back in the program, only my kids were lower phase inmates and it was all about trying to plan an escape in such a way that I could get all of us out.

When I first started getting involved in all this, I thought it would only take however long to make connections among ourselves, figure out what the message is and how to deliver it and we'd have a pretty serious presence in the media and society. I know a lot of people back in my day had their reservations about the whole thing and I thought all we had to do was elucidate and validate those and the whole thing would come down like a house of cards.

These days, I'm just looking to hook up w/ like minded people and  drop out enmass! LOL

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