May God forgive you all for the hateful, selfish, and hurtful things you say about the homes and people who loved God. I never saw anything of this sort happen to anyone. I only have good memories and instilled in my heart many character traits that sadly to say many of you who lacked such things went to the homes in the first place. Many of you were sent there against your will filled with bitter hatred, deeply wounded, lonely, sad, pathetic wicked people who interpreted "discipline" as being beaten and terribly mistreated -- oh poor you so spoiled rotten that you couldn't take any type of reprimand and no it wasn't abuse at all. And it only shows how you all are still in the same place in life today as you were the day you walked through the gate at the farm and this is so sad to hear. I for one have no regrets and would do it all over again if need be. Not everyone is able to be strong enough to love and take in such stubborn, strong-willed, rude, law-breaking, society rejects and not fold. Most of you should have just been sent straight to juve/prison --maybe you would have been treated like royalty -- you need to earn respect -- you give it and you receive it. But, you are still going to feel the way you do and I'm glad I didn't allow the devil to win this battle -- this is one I won by God's wonderful grace and mercy and today lead a fulfilling, happy, and wonderful life and don't allow such petty things to be strongholds in my life as you do. Get over it--life's to short and oh so precious if you treat it right.
Jesus came to take away the sins of the whole world. every sin ever committed and every sin that still will be commmitted has been paid for, there only needs remain the persons ability to lean onto the Lord for trusting in that what Christ did on calvarly,
i can see why your approach here may not be working and coming across in a way that is helpful, apparently there is no offer of love, or compassion from you.
It says that Christ did not come into the world to judge it, but to save it.
yet here you audaciously stand here and tout that you are his, and yet show no mercy , no love and no open door to the ones who need love, compassoin and mercy.
the bible says to those who show no mercy, no mercy shall be given to them.
Faceless nameless said:
Many of you were sent there against your will filled with bitter hatred, deeply wounded, lonely, sad, pathetic wicked people who interpreted "discipline" as being beaten and terribly mistreated --
Gentlestormi says:
you sure know all the facts on all the thousands who walked through the homes, dont you? were you given access to all of everyones files? read all their personal history (if there were any)? you seem to be filled with utmost knowlege about each and every single individual that went through the homes, or are you basing such horrid judgements from your judges podium upon what Roloff had to say about us as a whole?
Roloff did not see individuals,
Roloff saw a lump of ugliness that was a obviously was a projection of his own issues, he was a sexist for he exhibited in word and in action his belief in the inferiority of women and he exhibited in word and action an abusive way of treating them. He did not see us as girls with minds and individual ilves, he saw us as he projected his own warped issues onto us females, "whores , witches, prostitutes" his harsh stance was rooted more than likely in how he grew up. he was extremely sexist to my opinion because of this denigration to females on his compound and who were in his homes.
for your information, namless faceless poster, i actually
agreed to go to see Roloff, i actually
hoped it was a safe place for me, i
wanted to be in a safe place, i needed to get away from abusive people in my family of origins, who were not caring for me but were using me and abusing, me,
i remember sitting across from Lester in his office at the People's Church, i remember the "interview" i recall how badly i wanted to escape my hellish home life, and hoped he would let me stay,
it turned out nameless faceless person, that my trust was shattered, the place was
no haven of rest, it
was a pit from the dungeons of hell, my own
Dad years later has said that to me, he now realizes how wrong they were to trust in Camerons, and he said that Rebekah Home was a "Dungeon from the pits of hell" and he is right, this was something coming from my own dad who actually was a roloff supporter for years, and also an extremisits and fundamentalists in that mindset for years.
at least nameless faceless has amitted to us being deeply wounded. but i wonder why nameless faceless is not showing compassion and help to those who were wounded?
namelessfaceless said:
oh poor you so spoiled rotten that you couldn't take any type of reprimand and no it wasn't abuse at all.
from Gentlestormi:
so spoiled rotten? yes, i remember how spoiled i was for hurting, i lay in a hospital bed with stiches in my arm because of my deep depression at age 14, from all the abuses from sexual perverts and controllers, i was accused then of being selfish and uncaring. oddly i was not given any rights to scream or even cry when i was being hurt. i was totally told i had to be
non human, and this is dehumanizing of others created in Gods Own image and who are all
based on that,
worthy.
in my way of hearing you and experiencing your post, your attitude smells badly and i would think it stinks to Gods throne room and you bring upon the name of Christ a blasphemous stench. unless of course you can pull out the word of God and stand on it, use the verses that justify this attitude?
where is the love? or did you forget that love endures, that love is kind, that love is something that is thoughtful of others, that love waits patiently? did you forget that love never gives up? that love never throws in the towels on that which it loves? that love is always there, and never dies out? obviously you have no show of love for those who need wound care. if i were the doctor i would not let you into the room with those who needed care, you would obviously be abusive and sneering to these wounded, you would not be allowed in the room with them, for your apparent spirit of hatred to them is so high it is grossly negligent of what God tells you to do:
help them , reach them yet, you are preaching as if the
purpose of preaching were to nail them and judge them and tell them what horrid beings you think of them. you do not know the God of love and compassion, i dont know what god you do know, whatever you seem to know its apparently dead and inactive and not working in your post above.
nameless facelesssaid:
Not everyone is able to be strong enough to love and take in such stubborn, strong-willed, rude, law-breaking, society rejects and not fold.
Gentlestormi replies:
Love is enough, God is love, love NEVER fails, but since you are failing you have no real love. your type of "love" is a cloak to hide over your spirit of maliciousness and hate, (sounds a lot like a roloff voice in your post, a voice of the abuser and tyrant) (a wolf hiding in a sheeps covering?)
why do you have a need to stomp on the hearts of broken people?
you apparently are among the pharisees who also wanted to be in high places but who would not help anyone "below them". you are among those who throw stones on sinners and Christ says, "you who are without sin and wrong, you throw the first stones"
and "those who live by the sword will die by the sword" i.e. what goes around comes back around.
Thank God , that his love to Hagar was good. that God cared about Hagar and though God gives people free will to do waht they want,
he did not stop Sarah from abusing this girl,
even so, ....God is there in our deserts, when we feel outcast and alone and rejected by some society, God is there in our vast loneliness and deserts when we find no resting place nor water to drink, God will meet us there, and come to us and help us and his word to us will help us and defend us
nameless faceless said:
Most of you should have just been sent straight to juve/prison
From Gentlestormi:
we were, it failed, again, Christ said, "Wisdom is proven by its children" look around, did it work? to send us to juvenile prison aka roloffs lockdown juvenile facilities?
nameless faceless said:
And it only shows how you all are still in the same place in life today as you were the day you walked through the gate at the farm and this is so sad to hear.
From Gentlestormi:
we face our futures from the pasts that shaped us, to come out of the past means to change ones patterns of relating,
we learned those patterns from abusive others, we are like garden plants that grew up in soil that was tainted with toxins, buried there and we were told it was
godly to
bury the poisons into the soil of our hearts, and thought it would not affect our lives,
when in fact we realize now that those buried poisons of feelings and memories are what causes us to hurt so badly after this many years of hiding those pains and are the root to our dysfunctional lives.
those who are working on thier issues are those who seek to dig out the poisons and toxins and clean their soil and make it fit for healthy growth. those who keep on burying their hurting feelings and pain, are loaded with toxic wastes in their minds and actions.
your past is what shaped you, your past is the root to your plant, the soil that fed your plant, to know your past, is to know who you are, a person with no past is a non person. a vegetable taking up space without any meaning.
nameless faceless said:
you need to earn respect -- you give it and you receive it.
From Gentlestormi:
""ditto""[/color]....it is my opinion here that you have seriously failed earning any respect here from your posting.
you dont give any respect to any human being on this forum in your post here, you do not honor them as God created them to be honored.
in fact you chop them and dice them and tear them to shreds all in the name of Christ, you bring blasphemy onto his name. Because of the fact that Christ is not that. and you should know he is not. He does not do that to the hurting and bruised.
i am still astounded you dare to show an attitude of disdain and call that giving us respect? you will never earn it here nameless and faceless, not with me.
nameless faceless said:
But, you are still going to feel the way you do and I'm glad I didn't allow the devil to win this battle -- this is one I won by God's wonderful grace and mercy and today lead a fulfilling, happy, and wonderful life and don't allow such petty things to be strongholds in my life as you do. Get over it--life's to short and oh so precious if you treat it right.[/quote]
Gentlestormi replies:
wow, are you not something we all want to emulate?!
amazing paragon of Grace you are?
you did not allow satan to win this one huh? even though your words fly into the face and heart of Jesus with a large slap, ..amazing you that you can to stand before the God of heaven and so pat yourself on your back as a paragon of goodness and rightness and not so wierd as everyone else.
it reminds me of the story Jesus told of the two men who went up to pray at the temple, the one was self righteous and his prayer (talking to God) was "I thank you God that i am not like the others, I thank you God that i am better and I do this good deed here and I pay my tithes and live right and correct" and the other guy goes up to pray and wont even go close to the altar and pray ,but stands off from the church prayer place and beats his chest in pain, and says, "Oh God have mercy on me a sinner"
Christ said, that the one who did not feel ok with entering into the "holy place" and who beat his chest in painful reality, and prayed for mercy went away from prayer time more justified than the guy who thought by his good deeds he had some space he had earned before God Almighty.
notice how you tout that "
you"
won this, ? by Gods grace?
the meaning of Grace is Divine favor and help that one did
not earn. i.e. Grace is meant to be shared with those who do not deserve it.
so if you earned it, its not been Grace at all but merely self efforts.
you really come across as sanctimonious self righteous. i would not ever be able to call you a sister to me. not unless you could realize what damage you do to the victims and survivors and the heart of God in Christ
you say to people in pain "get over it"
this is a mere cliche' used by those who cant handle others being honest.
its a cliche and has
no meaning upon the lives of each
single individual life you have scorned and disdained here.
but since you did fall prey to using mere cliches that have no real meaning to each person, would you please state
how one gets over it? what do you do to get
over it? i would like you to justify/explain this cliche you have slandered upon people who have pain.
Gentlestormi
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