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Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon
TimScrivener:
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---
--- Quote from: "TimScrivener" ---
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---The one and only god... He can do just about anything..
so why not let him fight his own battles there, Tim?
Paul
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That's an easy one Paul. Because He gave me the job.
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I think you'd be an easy one, Tim.
I could probably destroy the structures of your current view of life and reality, with in a day. That would be kinda like taking you out of your warm
cozy cabin, where the self-righteous servants of god board, and dropping you into a tub of ice water.
The shock from something like that could kill ya, though.
I could, also, get into a mild debate with you, and ease you out of your delusions, gradually.
I don't have the heart for the first option, and I don t have the time and desire for the second.
So I'm just gonna walk away from this one.
But do me one favor. Let these people have their healing. Don't tell them that there experiences are not real. What they are doing is very difficult. What you are doing is very easy. When you are working for god, is he not working for you. (giving you an identity.. giving you direction.. giving you justifications.. on.. and on... and on))
You represent the blind mentality that is responsible for the pain and suffering that these people have endured.
Paul St. John
PS Something tells me this will not be our last exchange Tim.
Just remember I warned ya. If I have to render you impotent, I will.
God will not be able to save you.
Know when you are beaten. History has had enough martyrs, but If you must inflict pain on somebody, inflict it on yourself. That is the lesser evil.
Or if you really wanna do the right thing, give yourself a chance at working for you, and start asking questions.
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I find it ironic that with one post you tell me my beliefs are delusional and then tell me to let people hold on to their beliefs.
I'm not inflicting pain on anyone. I have not personally attacked people as I have been personally attack.
Your post is very arrogant. You assume that I haven't heard any of the things you think you can tell me that would crush my beliefs. But we're not talking about religious beliefs on this forum are we? We're talking about people who claim they were abused. I have already admitted that it has happened in some isolated cases in the Roloff homes. I have also explained that it was by people not acting in accordance to any established policy of the ministry. I am here now, and have been here for many years during different times in the past. I know what I know, you just assume that you know. You assume based on the testimony of others. Here's what I propose Paul. Instead of blindly believing what your told, (which is what you believe I am doing) check it out for yourself, come down to Corpus Christi Texas and pay a little visit. Go on a tour, ask the people in the homes questions. I dare you. Then come back to me and debate me about the validity of the claims that I have called into question here.
I have a suggestion for you. Before you go claiming that I'm self righteous, learn what it means to remove the beam from your own eye before you remove the sliver from mine.
DannyB II:
--- Quote ---Paul wrote:
I think you'd be an easy one, Tim.
I could probably destroy the structures of your current view of life and reality, with in a day. That would be kinda like taking you out of your warm
cozy cabin, where the self-righteous servants of god board, and dropping you into a tub of ice water.
The shock from something like that could kill ya, though.
I could, also, get into a mild debate with you, and ease you out of your delusions, gradually.
I don't have the heart for the first option, and I don t have the time and desire for the second.
So I'm just gonna walk away from this one.
But do me one favor. Let these people have their healing. Don't tell them that there experiences are not real. What they are doing is very difficult. What you are doing is very easy. When you are working for god, is he not working for you. (giving you an identity.. giving you direction.. giving you justifications.. on.. and on... and on))
You represent the blind mentality that is responsible for the pain and suffering that these people have endured.
Paul St. John
PS Something tells me this will not be our last exchange Tim.
Just remember I warned ya. If I have to render you impotent, I will.
God will not be able to save you.
Know when you are beaten. History has had enough martyrs, but If you must inflict pain on somebody, inflict it on yourself. That is the lesser evil.
Or if you really wanna do the right thing, give yourself a chance at working for you, and start asking questions.
--- End quote ---
Paul,
You really are a self-centered narcissistic windbag that should be taken out in back of that cabin and have your butt kicked by a bear, not a trained bear but a real wild bear or maybe a wild boar.
You really like begging people to come back and respond to your posts, you pathetic dweeb.
Leave this guy alone, you have no idea how far away you are from his spiritual world or maybe you do and you still want to mess with the guy. It is not funny, dude. You hear me, not funny.
Martyrs, you would know about that, something just tells me, martyr is written all over you. The "fornits martyr".
Paul, how about the pain you inflict upon Tim, is that just part of your job here, it is benign?????, so it doesn't make any difference. In your world there are no casualties, you lay waste to no one.
The "Blind Mentality" as you would say Paul, are they not in your camp also, hurting people that are coming here (fornits) asking for help.
Paul you and I both know survivors expand their stories beyond the truth, part of the process I guess. I've heard so many do it that I now believe it must be a part of their healing, so I don't try to exacerbate the situation by antagonizing them with sarcastic remarks....(LOL, well I maybe fibbing there).
Paul as I've noticed you have been around fornits for awhile, sorta know the paths, lay of the land. You could help more or......... not.
In any case .........................
Smoke another joint, sip more ale and relax, it is vacation time.
TimScrivener:
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---
--- Quote from: "TimScrivener" ---
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---The one and only god... He can do just about anything..
so why not let him fight his own battles there, Tim?
Paul
--- End quote ---
That's an easy one Paul. Because He gave me the job.
--- End quote ---
I think you'd be an easy one, Tim.
I could probably destroy the structures of your current view of life and reality, with in a day. That would be kinda like taking you out of your warm
cozy cabin, where the self-righteous servants of god board, and dropping you into a tub of ice water.
The shock from something like that could kill ya, though.
I could, also, get into a mild debate with you, and ease you out of your delusions, gradually.
I don't have the heart for the first option, and I don t have the time and desire for the second.
So I'm just gonna walk away from this one.
But do me one favor. Let these people have their healing. Don't tell them that there experiences are not real. What they are doing is very difficult. What you are doing is very easy. When you are working for god, is he not working for you. (giving you an identity.. giving you direction.. giving you justifications.. on.. and on... and on))
You represent the blind mentality that is responsible for the pain and suffering that these people have endured.
Paul St. John
PS Something tells me this will not be our last exchange Tim.
Just remember I warned ya. If I have to render you impotent, I will.
God will not be able to save you.
Know when you are beaten. History has had enough martyrs, but If you must inflict pain on somebody, inflict it on yourself. That is the lesser evil.
Or if you really wanna do the right thing, give yourself a chance at working for you, and start asking questions.
--- End quote ---
Tim,
There will be folks like Paul, Ursus and Anne that come around sniffing and scratching at your foundation, I don't think you need to hear this from me. I just would like to say is stay strong as you are and know that not everyone here is as narcissistic as they are.
I have a idea of what there agenda is, I used to have the same ideology but I stopped maybe 2 months ago, when I witnessed a post by another member who crucified a new poster and these three sat back and applauded the abuse. This is when I realized I do not have anything in common with them nor do I want to. In their quest to get their message out they really don't care who they "Inculcate".
Tim I may not agree with your message or part of your message but I do believe you have a inherent right, "To Have It".
They have no boundaries as to what they will attack, now were going after someones spirituality/religion.
Yes Anne, I realize that is the crux of your argument concerning Tim and his association with Roloffs but have you no respect for a persons personal beliefs.
Anyway I can only hope for the best for everyone here, play fair.
Everyone who believes in God also believes they are responsible to pass his message on. At least this is what I have been told.
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Thank you Danny. I am not personally effected by the attacks of people I encounter on the internet. I agree that everyone has a right to post their opinion here. I'm not really trying to change opinions as much as I am hoping to get people to not accept everything they read here as true. Just because some people have a valid claim of abuse, doesn't mean that everything that everyone says bad is true.
My main desire is that people will know that The Roloff Homes are not a cult and they are truly there to help people. Some people that have been there in the past may have done some bad things, but that doesn't change the fact the good things are done there and that thousands of people have gotten help over the years it has been here.
Paul St. John:
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---
--- Quote from: "TimScrivener" ---
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---The one and only god... He can do just about anything..
so why not let him fight his own battles there, Tim?
Paul
--- End quote ---
That's an easy one Paul. Because He gave me the job.
--- End quote ---
I think you'd be an easy one, Tim.
I could probably destroy the structures of your current view of life and reality, with in a day. That would be kinda like taking you out of your warm
cozy cabin, where the self-righteous servants of god board, and dropping you into a tub of ice water.
The shock from something like that could kill ya, though.
I could, also, get into a mild debate with you, and ease you out of your delusions, gradually.
I don't have the heart for the first option, and I don t have the time and desire for the second.
So I'm just gonna walk away from this one.
But do me one favor. Let these people have their healing. Don't tell them that there experiences are not real. What they are doing is very difficult. What you are doing is very easy. When you are working for god, is he not working for you. (giving you an identity.. giving you direction.. giving you justifications.. on.. and on... and on))
You represent the blind mentality that is responsible for the pain and suffering that these people have endured.
Paul St. John
PS Something tells me this will not be our last exchange Tim.
Just remember I warned ya. If I have to render you impotent, I will.
God will not be able to save you.
Know when you are beaten. History has had enough martyrs, but If you must inflict pain on somebody, inflict it on yourself. That is the lesser evil.
Or if you really wanna do the right thing, give yourself a chance at working for you, and start asking questions.
--- End quote ---
Tim,
There will be folks like Paul, Ursus and Anne that come around sniffing and scratching at your foundation, I don't think you need to hear this from me. I just would like to say is stay strong as you are and know that not everyone here is as narcissistic as they are.
I have a idea of what there agenda is,
Do tell...
I used to have the same ideology but I stopped maybe 2 months ago, when I witnessed a post by another member who crucified a new poster and these three sat back and applauded the abuse.
Up to about one month ago, it had been years since I had been to this site. You must be mixing me up with someone else.
This is when I realized I do not have anything in common with them nor do I want to. In their quest to get their message out they really don't care who they "Inculcate".
Tim I may not agree with your message or part of your message but I do believe you have a inherent right, "To Have It".
I don't give a shit about Tim's message. He's more then welcome to it.
They have no boundaries as to what they will attack, now were going after someones spirituality/religion.
Tim has positioned himslef in such a way, that any time you disagree with him, he can say that you are attacking his religion. All fairness is lost here. It's okay to attack a person, but attack a person's religion, and you step over the line. Tim works for god, so every time, you disagree with him, you disagree with god, and if you disagree with that, you are attacking his beliefs.. Pretty convenient. When someone beliefs cause harm to good things, I have no problem bringing them under a microscope.
Yes Anne, I realize that is the crux of your argument concerning Tim and his association with Roloffs but have you no respect for a persons personal beliefs.
People like you and Time have no respect for a person's personal reality.
Anyway I can only hope for the best for everyone here, play fair.
When it comes to religion, you are so concerned about people's well-being. What about these victims whom have experienced mental torment, and are now coming out and saying something about it.
Everyone who believes in God also believes they are responsible to pass his message on. At least this is what I have been told.
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Like you for example...
Paul St. John:
--- Quote ---Paul,
You really are a self-centered narcissistic windbag that should be taken out in back of that cabin and have your butt kicked by a bear, not a trained bear but a real wild bear or maybe a wild boar.
It would definitely have to be a wild bear or a boar. I've fought a few trained bears in my day.
Come to think of it.. You re kinda like a trained bear.. Aren t ya Danny..
You really like begging people to come back and respond to your posts,
LOL! When did I do that?
you pathetic dweeb.
Okay, so I get the dweeb thing. You probably consider any intelligent person, who doesn t use their smarts for conquering, a dweeb..
But why I am pathetic? That's pretty strong. I would use that word to describe you.. but me.. "Nah"
Leave this guy alone, you have no idea how far away you are from his spiritual world or maybe you do and you still want to mess with the guy. It is not funny, dude. You hear me, not funny.
I think I struck a nerve.. Hey Danny?
Martyrs, you would know about that, something just tells me, martyr is written all over you. The "fornits martyr".
I have not suffered in the name of Fornits. Finding it years ago, was a good thing in my life. I never knew that there were so many other programs. I never knew that there were other people who thought about them the way I did.
Paul, how about the pain you inflict upon Tim, is that just part of your job here, it is benign?????, so it doesn't make any difference. In your world there are no casualties, you lay waste to no one.
Tim is making his own bed.. He has his views. I have mine.
The "Blind Mentality" as you would say Paul, are they not in your camp also, hurting people that are coming here (fornits) asking for help.
Paul you and I both know survivors expand their stories beyond the truth, part of the process I guess. I've heard so many do it that I now believe it must be a part of their healing, so I don't try to exacerbate the situation by antagonizing them with sarcastic remarks....(LOL, well I maybe fibbing there).
Paul as I've noticed you have been around fornits for awhile, sorta know the paths, lay of the land. You could help more or......... not.
In any case .........................
Know the paths? Lay of land? that is your way of thinking.. nOt mine.
Smoke another joint, sip more ale and relax, it is vacation time.
Don't smoke joints..
Don't sip ale...
and I don't relax often either..
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