Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Benchmark Young Adult School / Benchmark Transitions
remebering myself
exhausted:
My belief Ursus is, that you can break anyone, in some small way, but you cannot build them up, once a person is broken, they are unfixable, it's not like gluing a china pot back together.
Psy I often wonder why you dont train to be a therapist and specialise in this field? Maybe it's too close to home for you - I don't know, perhaps you'd end up murdering the parents involve, however you seem to have such a grip on the whole thing and this experience cannot be learnt, read, paid for, you have to live it, feel it breathe it to be able to really know.
FWIW I think you're doing the right thing not teling this girl how it really was for her, it sounds like she knows anyhows, but by convincing herself that it was right for her .... well it's the only thing that stops her from faling apart completely, she has enough problems if she's on meths anyway - let her live confortably in her blissful ignorance, it'll harm her far more to be forced to face what deep down she already knows
psy:
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--- Quote from: ""psy"" ---That's rare.. very rare. I remember a little bit of the first workshop but after that it's just little flashes of images and emotions. The first workshop i faked it... did what everybody else was doing, cried on cue etc... that's why i remember more.. Others i've talked to.. some remember a bit her and a bit there...
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Yeah when you got at SCL you heard rumors of seminars. Other kids would make a big deal of it. Be like, "Oh man, remember how mindblowing discovery was, I am never the same!" and they meant it. There was an aura of secrecy, like a secret association or club or something to it. But besides these vague rumors and emotions surrounding them, there wasn't any idea what exactly what they were or consisted of.
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Ditto. Everybody loved it.
--- Quote ---My first one I got kicked out of on the first day, or as they call it , "chosen out". The guy was David Gilcrease, that dude is fucking insane. I didn't get it, I didn't catch on how to act in the group to make it look like I was being 'born again' and going all emotionally crazy like the 'true believers' were. He stood me up and did his tear down thing with me, and it worked, I was totally mentally confused, on the spot in front of a hundred people... he made me feel horrible like he was suposed to? But I was so confused and shit, I couldn't respond with the bullshit response he wanted and kicked me out and sent to isolation until the end of the day.
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NLP and nonsensical responses is what he did. Look up Werner Erhard (est founder). He was a master of that shit.
--- Quote ---The second one I had two months to prepare for and how to plan and understand the cult like mentality going on. How to bullshit them, and make them think you are all shameful of your past and want to repent, and become part of their sick cult that hurts the new kids who come in in the same way. Well of course I wanted no part of that bullshit, so I faked it too. The only reason it worked was because it was Jan or someone, a woman who basically passed everyone. I got lucky and got an easy one on Focus too and barely squeaked by in that one. I bet we could all be great actors, we've had good training.
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I had acting classes before program... But you're right.
--- Quote ---I can remember pretty much all of it now . I sat down a few years ago and wrote everything I could remember and alot came pooring out.
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I get stuck when trying to ... Maybe it's some cult of secrecy "lock" in my mind i haven't found out... or maybe it was just too bad.
--- Quote ---I read other people's accounts of the seminars and that helped bring back memories. But the most memory inducing thing I found was music. They used very specific pieces of music in the seminar. I found several of these and played them over and over and shit, that brought back memories I didn't know existed.
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Hence the reason i was asking for the song. Music does the same for me.
--- Quote ---Thats why I am always talking about mental constructs and what not. I feel it's possible to really create whatever end result that is needed and or wanted.
Even factual details can be reinterpreted in any way necessary to a particular mood or emotion potential basing on missing memories that really aren't missing. So I am not really too keen on sharing these details much because truth being so subjective these days my vote of truth gets shouted down in the democracy of ideas that seems to be the marketplace available to the mass, unfortunately giving credibility where none exists, to the side of programs. It can get really confusing for the average bystander, per much.
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psy:
--- Quote from: ""exhausted"" ---My belief Ursus is, that you can break anyone, in some small way, but you cannot build them up, once a person is broken, they are unfixable, it's not like gluing a china pot back together.
Psy I often wonder why you dont train to be a therapist and specialise in this field? Maybe it's too close to home for you - I don't know, perhaps you'd end up murdering the parents involve, however you seem to have such a grip on the whole thing and this experience cannot be learnt, read, paid for, you have to live it, feel it breathe it to be able to really know.
FWIW I think you're doing the right thing not teling this girl how it really was for her, it sounds like she knows anyhows, but by convincing herself that it was right for her .... well it's the only thing that stops her from faling apart completely, she has enough problems if she's on meths anyway - let her live confortably in her blissful ignorance, it'll harm her far more to be forced to face what deep down she already knows
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No she's off meth now. That's why i hesitate.
exhausted:
Ah right - with ya, either way, I still stand by the decision to let her live in her comfort zone - its probably best for her own sanity.
Ursus:
Probably best to say, in the end, just "listen to your gut." I don't think there are hard and fast rules here, just general truths tempered by the actual dynamics of the time and people involved...
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