Just because I needed to

[Anonymous]

I huffed and I puffed to keep him at home.
I new it was wrong to take him from home.

Energy I spent didn?t matter one bit
For he does not care not even one bit.

So I sit like a fool feeling bad for the cause
Was I wrong ? apparently- every little bit.

I tried so hard that it hurt my family
Now I just sit hiding my fanny.

You can all sit here and judge from afar
But I tried and I tried
I guess I went to far.

He just can?t stay home and treat with respect.

He won?t go to school because it is ?gay?
And those kids are losers he?d rather say.

A look in the mirror will scare him some day.

I will miss him, I know I will
He?ll be gone forever
I think it?s his will.

When those men come to take him away in the night
I will have been cut off
I guess I had no right.

I?m sorry for him that he can?t keep it straight
It?s only a short time but it won?t be great.

I Luv u Buddy
And I Hope and Pray that I will see u again one day.

[Anonymous]

what a bunch of crap. R u saying what i think u r?
Its hard to say cause of your convoluted  thinking patern. I dont beleive for a moment you are a real parent. unless you are on the drug s you imply your kids on.
Though as your title is apt becasue "just becsue i needed to"  reveals that with you ,just like the rest of the parents who put their kids in program, that  it is only about your perceived needs not your childs

Im not going to take my time saying much to debunk your ramble. Just realize if you are for real you are ushering your child down the path toward insanity.
They are going to try get your kid to be more "respectful" by inflicteing physiological brain damage on him. You are sending him away for a lobotomy. Any docility you may see in him will be from the result of him essentially suffering a stroke. People who get strokes dont talk back much because they cant speak.
Your child isnt there to perform for you, but for you to provide him an environment where his brain can develop in a an healthy ordinary way. You are sending his normal healthy brain however annoying to a place where his brain will be destroyed...for your own gratifications.

 This doesnt turn out predictably. Your child may end up permanently mentally ill. After being rendered mentally ill, die as he no longer has a brain with which he can regulate his behavior or perceive accurately, by suicide, overdose ,slowed reaction linked mortality. He may end up in prison. He may just never fufill his potential as a human being as humans have a limited # of years to develop and if he spend his suffering and then working his way back to sanity that doesnt really leave time for the good stuff.

And if that happens of course youll blame it not on what uve done to him. But becasue you as helpful as you were he was just too sick to help.
Jesus, id say how do you sleep at night. But as I dont beleive you are real and if you are too mentally ill to understand what you are doing whats the point.

what do u think, is this fellow for real?

[TheWho]

I think it may be for real??.The verse really doesn?t reveal the depth of the problem so we don?t know for sure if placement outside of the home is or is not warranted.  It would be short sighted of us to judge the action and predict an outcome based on a few lines of verse.  For all we know this is the best next step, least restrictive environment for this child to receive help and the parent may have received multiple professional opinions prior to making this decision in the best interest of their child and family.  This may not be a juvy hall/ incarceration as it seems you perceive....the writer may be refering to a Therpeutic Boarding school or Wilderness program...its hard to tell from the verse itself.

[try another castle]

You are a sucky poet. Knock that sing-songy shit off. And if you are going to go that route, at least keep your syllables in time with the rhythm.

I see a future in the greeting card industry for you.... as an intern.

[Anonymous]

For what it?s  worth,

I?m a relative, not the parents making the decisions.

Thank You to The WHO, you pretty much have it correct
Except it?s a been there done that situation, wilderness then
Therapeutic boarding school. He?d been gone for nine months,
Home now for three month and won?t follow simple rules.
The parents are talking about sending him back.

My heart just breaks because for eight of those nine months he was gone I fought every day to bring him home.  Now I feel at a loss with no ground to stand on.

[Anonymous]

Guest, don't waste your time thanking THE WHO.  He thinks these wilderness programs and TBS programs are just fine.  He had his own daughter locked up in one for over a year.
Sorry about your family's problems.  I wish this young man good luck; and hope his parents reconsider and get him help locally, and keep him at home..

[TheWho]

For what it?s  worth,

I?m a relative, not the parents making the decisions.

Thank You to The WHO, you pretty much have it correct
Except it?s a been there done that situation, wilderness then
Therapeutic boarding school. He?d been gone for nine months,
Home now for three month and won?t follow simple rules.
The parents are talking about sending him back.

My heart just breaks because for eight of those nine months he was gone I fought every day to bring him home.  Now I feel at a loss with no ground to stand on.

Sorry you got prejudged, guest, most posters just move on after their first post because of their initial welcome (like you received) Pretty angry bunch around here, especially if you don?t agree with their point of view or advice.

Speaking of advice? stick around?you may get some suggestions that may help you and your family member out.

[Anonymous]

sorry guest
I thought u were a parent trying to display how feeling and deep you were  ops: It makes more sense now. You are a very caring person. I wish id had a relative like u in program

Who" is a john wayne gacy type who spends his whole day on this forum legitimzing child torture and explaining why who children who run in front of buses screaming "i cant take ASW anymore"(or whatever program they are in) so desperate to escape the pain of their torture they do what only Jews in concentration camps have been known to do, by throwing themselves on the modern day equivilent of the electrical fence, have nothing to do with program
he refers to child deaths as data points that need to continue being collected by putting more children in program and waiting for them to die

The child isnt functioning becasue he is too mentally ill to function. I use that term loosely. Eseentially after being tortured for so long by methods developed by cults and totalitarian brainwashing facilities  in order to reduce the child to a nub best suited for financial exploitation the child no longer has a normally functioning mind.

Not to mention being raised by people who will essentially kill you if they feel like it doesnt really allow u to function normally. Happened to me. You might want to try to invene before the child kills themselves, happened to my sibling. Just drive over pick thim up.rescue him
have the kid testify about how abusive the program is. Let him stay at your house. Sometimes someone who understands who cares and who wil let them stay there in saftey is all a person needs to recover from the brain damage. Sue the program get big bucks for u and the kid. You both deserve it, and the monsters who torture deserve a bit of justice

[Anonymous]

sorry guest
I thought u were a parent trying to display how feeling and deep you were  ops: It makes more sense now. You are a very caring person. I wish id had a relative like u in program

Who" is a john wayne gacy type who spends his whole day on this forum legitimzing child torture and explaining why who children who run in front of buses screaming "i cant take ASW anymore"(or whatever program they are in) so desperate to escape the pain of their torture they do what only Jews in concentration camps have been known to do, by throwing themselves on the modern day equivilent of the electrical fence, have nothing to do with program
he refers to child deaths as data points that need to continue being collected by putting more children in program and waiting for them to die

The child isnt functioning becasue he is too mentally ill to function. I use that term loosely. Eseentially after being tortured for so long by methods developed by cults and totalitarian brainwashing facilities  in order to reduce the child to a nub best suited for financial exploitation the child no longer has a normally functioning mind.

Not to mention being raised by people who will essentially kill you if they feel like it doesnt really allow u to function normally. Happened to me. You might want to try to invene before the child kills themselves, happened to my sibling. Just drive over pick thim up.rescue him
have the kid testify about how abusive the program is. Let him stay at your house. Sometimes someone who understands who cares and who wil let them stay there in saftey is all a person needs to recover from the brain damage. Sue the program get big bucks for u and the kid. You both deserve it, and the monsters who torture deserve a bit of justice

[Anonymous]

I tried to intervene, I offered to let him live with me but he refused.
All that matters to him are his friends and these aren?t the type of friends you hoped your child would choose, thieves and druggies who are or have been in jail.

The parents tried to help him at home for at least three years before they sent him away.  He was told what the consequences to his actions would be and he just doesn?t seem to care.

?The child isn?t functioning because he is too mentally ill to function.?

How do you reach someone who doesn?t seem to want to be reached?

I would appreciate any advice

Thanks in advance

[TheWho]

I tried to intervene, I offered to let him live with me but he refused.
All that matters to him are his friends and these aren?t the type of friends you hoped your child would choose, thieves and druggies who are or have been in jail.

The parents tried to help him at home for at least three years before they sent him away.  He was told what the consequences to his actions would be and he just doesn?t seem to care.

?The child isn?t functioning because he is too mentally ill to function.?

How do you reach someone who doesn?t seem to want to be reached?

I would appreciate any advice

Thanks in advance

Sounds like you are a good advocate for him?.has he seen a therapist locally?  A good therapist can recommend a good next step and work with the family.??.I can empathize with the childs' parents also, especially if the problem has been going on for 3 years, his friends don?t seem to be the best for him or helping him move forward with his life and believe me it will only get worse if this is left unchecked.

If you could get him alone and try to talk to him to see what is going on in his head or get him (or his parents to get him) to see a therapist and have him evaluated this might reveal what is going on and determine if he has a diagnosis that may need treatment.  Going to a TBS should be a last resort step.

[Anonymous]

You may not be abl;e to prevent him being sent away at this stage, he might have to go in order to realise that it's not nice and he'd rather be there with you, right now it sounds like he thinks it's never going to happen to him, and continues to hang around with his 'friends'

Once you are in a position to get him out and have him stay with you, you need to work with the rest of the family - set some rules, they will have to be very strong and say no to him coming home & you will have strict rules & boundaries that you MUST stick to - its the only way he is going to know that his choices are his & the conseqences that go with it are also his

good luck!

Exhausted

[Anonymous]

Arghh I hate that "I want you to" business ... what i actually said was You n.ee.d to

And I can't log in again!

Exhausted

[Anonymous]

He?s been to therapists locally before he was sent away the first time.
He refuses to see a therapist now because he says he has nothing to say.

I?ve talked to him alone and he says he?s sick of talking and that everything is fine.
?Just leave me alone?

I went to his house today to see his behavior and he acted like a shit head.
I think part of his issue is that he has no respect for anyone.

They?ve tried the consequences for his actions but he basically says
YOU CAN?T MAKE ME?  and he?s right.

I can understand understand why his parents want to send him away,
He treats them worse than dirt

But being that I don?t believe in these programs can a former programmie
Or anyone suggest something else to try.

[TheWho]

It sounds like he may know that going back is inevitable, not wanting to talk to therapists, especially with statements like ?You cant make me?.  Which is a challenge or call for help in it self.  Not sure what his first stay was like or where his parents heads are at  right now or what they told him but it sounds like he has pretty much conceded to what ever is coming next.  Maybe going back to a TBS is better, in his eyes, than living with his parents.  
When talking to my daughter (after she graduated) she knew the final option was coming also and she said looking back that part of her wanted someone to take over her life for her ?.so he may not want to work on himself he may be just waiting for the next step or even forcing their hand?.there is so much we don?t know about him and his situation that it is difficult to give sound advice here.

I really hope this boy gets the help he needs and deserves........ keep us informed of his progress