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Lone Star Expeditions
Deborah:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Actually kids are much safer being in a wilderness program where they are exposed to staff who are trained to keep kids safe. If an emergency occurred like a heart attack I think any parent would rather have their child in the hands of trained people than sitting in some friends basement or driving around somewhere with people that have the response time and training of Ozzy Osborne.
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Compare the response time in wilderness as compared to the city/ civilization. Takes hours sometimes to reach their remote locations. In Ian August's case, the emergency chopper couldn't even land because it was so hot that day- over 100*.
--- Quote ---The key is where are they safest and surrounded the most by people who are trained to respond and keep them safe?
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Should all teens live in TBS bubbles. :roll: Clearly they're safer where EMTs can get to them in a timely fashion. EMTs who haven't been trained to ignore their EMT training and defer to the program's methods.
And stop presenting your stupid chart
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=252502#252502
as evidence of anything, other than your deceptive, twisted bias.
TheWho:
--- Quote --- Compare the response time in wilderness as compared to the city/ civilization. Takes hours sometimes to reach their remote locations. In Ian August's case, the emergency chopper couldn't even land because it was so hot that day- over 100*.
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Not arguing that… it is remote. But the kids are around trained counselors 24/7 . The child can be 5 minutes away from a heart surgeon in an air conditioned basement smoking crack, but if Ozzy doesn’t pick up the phone and call someone or is too high to notice, no help is coming, ever. I would rather my kids be in the dessert with trained professionals.
--- Quote --- Should all teens live in TBS bubbles. Clearly they're safer where EMTs can get to them in a timely fashion. EMTs who haven't been trained to ignore their EMT training and defer to the program's methods.
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No, I don’t think anyone would advocate that all kids go to a TBS, just like not everyone should admit themselves into a hospital, just to be safe. (although I do have a friend whos father has an EMT on call with a panic button and pays him for it!) I believe what parents need to look at are the options available to him/her when they have a child in crises and choose one that is safest for their child.
As a parent these are the things I tend to look at first.
If some schools truly train their EMT’s to ignore the kids then choose one that does not have this policy.
--- Quote --- And stop presenting your stupid chart
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It is data that is re-organized from caica and cafety etc. They aren’t numbers I came up with.
hanzomon4:
If these kids in wilderness are around "trained" counselors 24/7 then someone needs to be in jail. They should have known the symptoms and the dangers of withdrawing a kid off of psych meds in a "wilderness" setting. Medical neglect through and through......
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""hanzomon4"" ---If these kids in wilderness are around "trained" counselors 24/7 then someone needs to be in jail. They should have known the symptoms and the dangers of withdrawing a kid off of psych meds in a "wilderness" setting. Medical neglect through and through......
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I agree, if that is the case, I believe there is a court action in progress which should bring all that out in the open. If the counselor’s didnt do their job then we will know. But lets not jump the gun and place blame prematurely.
Oz girl:
--- Quote from: ""hanzomon4"" ---If these kids in wilderness are around "trained" counselors 24/7 then someone needs to be in jail. They should have known the symptoms and the dangers of withdrawing a kid off of psych meds in a "wilderness" setting. Medical neglect through and through......
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The Who seems to confuse being over 18 with a highschool diploma and a basic first aid certificate with being a trained medical professional. I woudlnt have any qualms about sending a kid to summer camp but I would not kid myself that the staff are professional. The difference is the "professionals" in charge of the kids are not allowed to administer drugs or make absurd medical decisions like whether to take a kid off medication. In the event that somekind of mishap occurs where a kid requires something more than basic first aid the onsite nurse is called.
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