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« Reply #120 on: April 14, 2007, 10:24:48 PM »
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But in all seriousness you joke about the fact that kids get sent there for watching porn. You are aware that you were in discomfort, even pain for 1 night but OK with your daughter being this way for weeks.

I don’t joke about kids getting sent away for watching porn, I think it is nuts.  These parents should know better.  It goes to show you there are all kinds of people out there.  This isn’t the typical child that attends wilderness.


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You claim that both the TV and kids are exaggerating and that those who claim very real distress and trauma are just those that were "stubborn". Why do you do this? It does not seem at all a laughing matter to me. This mind set is quite sinister and it is one that TV shows like brat camp as well as the whole industry encourage.

I believe what I said was it is a TV show and events can get distorted or made to seem different than they really are.  If kids are sitting around the camp fire singing it is going to be sitting on the editors floor,  If they have a slow week they are going to have to figure out how to boast the excitement for the following week even if they need to use a sharp stick “As they say” .  But is this a true reflection on wilderness camp?  Probably not, I am sure there are aspects that are real , but either way I am talking thru my hat because I never saw the show.  So my opinion isn’t worth much on this one.  I will have to defer to yourself and others who have been there.


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Real people are being hurt by all of this. How is it that you can be really glib in defending this industry? To me the real tragedy is the kids who spend 8 weeks cold, miserable and sometimes in real physical pain as much as it is the ian Augusts and Aaron Bacons because there aremany such kids who never make the news but go on to live with a lot of unneccesary demons.


I am not defending the entire industry.  I believe that religion is important also, in its own way, and contributes to society in a positive way but I don’t think that many of the fringe sects that do harm to people are necessarily good for us or individuals who permeate the main stream religions for the purpose of hurting our children is good either, but I am not ready to sign a petition to have religion abolished.  We all need to be a little more proactive and work towards improving what we have (weeding out the bad) instead of tearing something down to serve some personal desires or agendas, these places do benefit many children.  We have a process in place lets work on improving it for the benefit of the kids.
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« Reply #121 on: April 14, 2007, 10:51:49 PM »
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This guy could spin shit into gold....
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Re: Lone Star Expeditions
« Reply #122 on: January 27, 2009, 03:37:07 PM »
Hm whoever that was that use to work there IS correct. I was there in 2004..or around that time in the girls group. There is a couple of the staff I talked to that I NEED to talk to. No I'm not mad. But TWO of them did save my OWN life. If it wasn't for meeting them. I would have commited suicide when I was 16. Yeah agreed shit happens. But its not everyones fault that works there.
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Re: Lone Star Expeditions
« Reply #123 on: January 27, 2009, 05:04:57 PM »
Our datasheet of this program have several survivor groups listed. Among them a specific survivor group on Myspace. If someone knows of other groups, please let us know the url, so we can add it on the datasheet.

Maybe you can find someone you know.
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« Reply #124 on: February 02, 2009, 01:42:59 AM »
This goes out to the girl who worked at LSE and supposedly met Matthew Meyer.  Girl, you have no idea what you are talking about.  Matthew suffered over 24 hours, was forced to walk in 115 to 130 heat index after getting lost by the navigator.  When he managed to complete the last 200 yards, he collapsed on the ground.  Staff member kept telling him to get up, then they through water on him and when they heard him "snoring" he was actually aspiriating.  But the staff just kept telling him to quit faking it.  After 20 minutes, they finally looked at him and realized he was dying.

The night before he was stumbling and mumbling around and said his legs felt numb.  Through a radio call, the psychologist on staff said it was an anxiety attack and never went and looked at him.

Also, you idiot, his heart was just fine.  It took over a month to get the autopsy report back, so you had no idea what you were talking about.  You need to keep your mouth shut until you know the truth.

I know the truth and you can take that to the bank.  I have been waiting patiently to tell you just how stupid you sounded in your little say so.  You might want to shut up from now on.
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Re: Lone Star Expeditions
« Reply #125 on: February 02, 2009, 08:39:19 PM »
http://www.isaccorp.org/

hey Toolate.

Contact isac with that info, as well as CAFETY.

ASPEN organization murdered that kid. Help put the murderers in prison. You can report your information confidentially if you like. No one will challenge your anonymity. The people at these orgs ar organized to help the people murdered in these gulags, and they'll make sure no one finds out who you are, if that is a concern
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Re: Lone Star Expeditions
« Reply #126 on: February 06, 2009, 10:29:36 PM »
Attn: The Who.  You should be called the Was because you have no idea what in the world you are talking about when you speak of Matthew Meyer and how he died at LSE.  The autopsy report took almost 6 weeks to be completed, and trust me when I say, his heart was just fine.  The night before he died, he complained of numb legs, stumbling, mumbling, the  field instructors called the psychologist and said what Matt was doing, he determined it was an anxiety attack and not to worry about.  The next morning Matt wouldn't eat, at lunch, he said he couldn't go any further, the other kids even offered to carry him, but I guess some sort of peer pressure was used (that I can't guarantee) and Matt was helped up.  A 1 mile hike turned into over 3 miles because the navigator got lost.  The heat index was 115 to 130 that day.  Matt had to keep stopping, but made to go on.  The last 200 yards were strictly unexplainable, but when he did make it to the camp he collapsed.  Yeah the field instructors kept telling him to get up and set up camp, he could lay down later.  This happened several times.  He was told if he didn't get up he (field instructor) would pour water on him.  So water was thrown on him several times.  After about 20 minutes, Matt started making a sound like snoring, he was aspirating, and he was told to get up and quit faking, several times.  Matt was already dying by the time 1 of the 3 field inspectors finally actually looked at Matt.  It took almost 45 minutes before anyone called an ambulance, and Life Flight was on stand by, but they told them to wait.  I can go on and on and on.  But what I have said to you, you can take to the bank.
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Re: Lone Star Expeditions
« Reply #127 on: February 07, 2009, 08:17:30 PM »
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Attn: The Who.  You should be called the Was because you have no idea what in the world you are talking about when you speak of Matthew Meyer and how he died at LSE.  The autopsy report took almost 6 weeks to be completed, and trust me when I say, his heart was just fine.  The night before he died, he complained of numb legs, stumbling, mumbling, the  field instructors called the psychologist and said what Matt was doing, he determined it was an anxiety attack and not to worry about.  The next morning Matt wouldn't eat, at lunch, he said he couldn't go any further, the other kids even offered to carry him, but I guess some sort of peer pressure was used (that I can't guarantee) and Matt was helped up.  A 1 mile hike turned into over 3 miles because the navigator got lost.  The heat index was 115 to 130 that day.  Matt had to keep stopping, but made to go on.  The last 200 yards were strictly unexplainable, but when he did make it to the camp he collapsed.  Yeah the field instructors kept telling him to get up and set up camp, he could lay down later.  This happened several times.  He was told if he didn't get up he (field instructor) would pour water on him.  So water was thrown on him several times.  After about 20 minutes, Matt started making a sound like snoring, he was aspirating, and he was told to get up and quit faking, several times.  Matt was already dying by the time 1 of the 3 field inspectors finally actually looked at Matt.  It took almost 45 minutes before anyone called an ambulance, and Life Flight was on stand by, but they told them to wait.  I can go on and on and on.  But what I have said to you, you can take to the bank.

Did you contact cafety or isac with your info?
here are their websites:
http://www.cafety.org/
http://www.isaccorp.org/
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Re: Lone Star Expeditions
« Reply #128 on: February 12, 2009, 12:47:11 AM »
toolate

Please note that it wasn't just the meds that were not taken, but a full 24 hours of begging for help.  The meds didn't do the damage, it was the clothing, heat and non-training of the wilderness instructors that are with the children 24/7.  Their first opinion is the kid is faking if they complain.  When there are only 8 boys or girls in the program at any one time, it is worth the effort to take them to a doctor.  If the doctor says they are faking their ailments, then so be it. I don't think a wilderness insructor is a doctor, or a nurse and can determine if is a kid is faking or not.
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Re: Lone Star Expeditions
« Reply #129 on: February 14, 2009, 12:45:20 AM »
Everything has been reported and documented.
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« Reply #130 on: February 14, 2009, 01:57:27 AM »
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Everything has been reported and documented.


YOU REPORTED it to isac and cafety. thank you!! you are my hero whoever you are!!!!
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Re: Lone Star Expeditions
« Reply #131 on: February 21, 2009, 12:41:05 AM »
you can read all about it in Cafety.  Just went to the Hill.  Times will change.
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Re: Lone Star Expeditions
« Reply #132 on: February 21, 2009, 12:50:22 AM »
can you provide me a link to where i can read bout it. I cannot find it.

Cafety's site is organized SO POORLY. I have notified them several times their site is hard to navigate. i know they're busy, but....
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« Reply #133 on: February 21, 2009, 07:40:12 PM »
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can you provide me a link to where i can read bout it. I cannot find it.

Cafety's site is organized SO POORLY. I have notified them several times their site is hard to navigate. i know they're busy, but....

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Re: Lone Star Expeditions
« Reply #134 on: February 23, 2009, 12:06:10 AM »
CAFETY has received funding and is working with a web designer!
 :rasta:

in the interim...


http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=68
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