Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Split from ASR: Private School or RTC
TheWho:
--- Quote ---See above. We were talking about coerced "treatment" in a facility that the kids cannot leave, separated by distance and design, unable to write letters without being forced to write what tha facility says to, no telephone, no calls to home allowed, and no mechanism by which to report abuse.
And this is what your response is???
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No, No?.We were talking about regulation and why a business would seek it out and impose it on themselves. And someone wrote in:
Deborah wrote:
--- Quote ---?.A program should do it because they are caring for a hundred or more kids who are not 'related' to them and subjecting them to god knows what, restricting communication with parents and the outside world.
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I was indicating that restricting communication, in itself, is not abusive and sited a few examples on which I based my thoughts and conclusions. I am not excusing any practice by saying this.
Lets flip it over and take a look at it your way. Give every kids a cell phone and allow them to use it, at will, with unlimited hours, this could become abusive to other students and the teacher who are trying to listen and learn. How would this work out? Personally I would have concerns sending my child to a place that allowed this. Then if you told the kids they couldn?t use their phones during class time, this would be considered a restriction. How about a restriction disallowing a student to write a letter home while the teacher is speaking? Would this be too harsh and who is to decide?
I think there is a time and place for communication; too much access to phones/writing may be bad and too little may be bad also. But where do we draw the line? Where does it become abusive?
The school doesn?t feel it is abusive and neither do the parents so why would they seek out oversight to regulate what they do?
Anonymous:
One of the following is true:
1. TheWho is intentionally trying to cloud the issue
2. He/she/it honestly cannot tell the difference between allowing a kid to use a cell phone 24/7 and letting the kid call his parents without being listened in on once a day.
Either way, parents, you can all stop reading now. You now know the kind of people you're going to deal with if you make the horrible, perhaps fatal mistake of sending your kid to ASR. DON'T.
TheWho:
Milk,
The parents know their own child? if the kid is being raped or abused by half the counselors she can just say ?Look Mom, the counselors are full of crap, they are raping me, come get me tonight or I am going to walk away on my own, you can find me at the local police station or hospital, goodbye?
Do you think the counselor can convince the parent that their child is just over reacting and to just have a good nights sleep??
Do you think this can happen over and over again and not make the headline news? Fox news would love to feature this stuff, any news agency would (even if it were half true). But it is not, we know that because parents would shut these places down in a heart beat if they even used language they hear here on fornits against them! You expose a kid to a book which discusses a family with same sex parents in the local public school system and heads start to role and litigation follows!!
Imagine what would happen if a kid got raped or abused on a Therapeutic boarding school or all places!! Talk about a story and headlines!! They have been operating for decades???.
nimdA:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Milk,
The parents know their own child? if the kid is being raped or abused by half the counselors she can just say ?Look Mom, the counselors are full of crap, they are raping me, come get me tonight or I am going to walk away on my own, you can find me at the local police station or hospital, goodbye?
Do you think the counselor can convince the parent that their child is just over reacting and to just have a good nights sleep??
Do you think this can happen over and over again and not make the headline news? Fox news would love to feature this stuff, any news agency would (even if it were half true). But it is not, we know that because parents would shut these places down in a heart beat if they even used language they hear here on fornits against them! You expose a kid to a book which discusses a family with same sex parents in the local public school system and heads start to role and litigation follows!!
Imagine what would happen if a kid got raped or abused on a Therapeutic boarding school or all places!! Talk about a story and headlines!! They have been operating for decades???.
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** Deception of parents by program staff is the norm not the exception.
** Abuse in programs happens regularly.
1) Kids beg their parents for help regularly in programs.
2) Parents go to program with the complaints.
3) Programs warn parents about manipulation.
4) Kids get left in program and are consquenced for manipulation.
Happens alot.
Anonymous:
You were way too easy on him, TSW.
Jesus Who, have you even been reading the same forum we are? Kids can just run away? Kids can call home anyway? Have you even seen what happens? The "counselor" is standing over the kid the whole time, and may even be conference called-in, ready to hit the terminate-call button the moment the kid starts talking about things like that, and reassure the parent that none of it is true and it's all just manipulation. Do you not know this? Or do you just not care?
The only way out of ASR is either to kill or permanently maim someone (and I'm seriously surprised more staff members aren't blinded by knives in eyeballs), or commit suicide.
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