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Montel Williams promoting wwasps?
« on: February 15, 2007, 04:51:16 PM »
I was working on my computer with the tv on, not really paying attention to it, when I started to hear bullshit. Montel Williams had some girl and her mother  on his show talking about how the mother saved her daughter. The mother explained that she couldn't force her daughter into rehab so she hired escorts  to "kidnap" and ship her daughter off to a school in the Chezk republic.

I heard that and almost had a baby.....

I had remembered reading about a program in the Chezk republic that was run by wwasps and shut down for abuse. I found the book they were promoting and sure enough it was Morava Academy. After it was shut down she apparently went to Spring Creek Lodge.

So question, Why is Montel Williams promoting wwasps?
Better yet what did he mean when he said he did the same to his daughter?

This is the name of the book Come Back: A Mother and Daughter's Journey Through Hell and Back
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2007, 06:14:11 PM »
Thought Montel was supposed to be one of the cool ones. Guess not..
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2007, 06:20:22 PM »
I think Montel recanted.

That was likely a very old re-run.
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2007, 06:26:39 PM »
How does that work? Doesn't he or his producers have any control over old content?
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2007, 06:31:11 PM »
Probably not if it's syndicated.
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Re: Montel Williams promoting wwasps?
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2007, 09:45:34 PM »
Quote from: ""hanzomon4""
I was working on my computer with the tv on, not really paying attention to it, when I started to hear bullshit. Montel Williams had some girl and her mother  on his show talking about how the mother saved her daughter. The mother explained that she couldn't force her daughter into rehab so she hired escorts  to "kidnap" and ship her daughter off to a school in the Chezk republic.

I heard that and almost had a baby.....

I had remembered reading about a program in the Chezk republic that was run by wwasps and shut down for abuse. I found the book they were promoting and sure enough it was Morava Academy. After it was shut down she apparently went to Spring Creek Lodge.

So question, Why is Montel Williams promoting wwasps?
Better yet what did he mean when he said he did the same to his daughter?

This is the name of the book Come Back: A Mother and Daughter's Journey Through Hell and Back


I find it sad this girl is still under complete control of the programming and her mother. Someone like that,  it must all the more difficult to work through the experience as you get older and realize that therapy really was torture (or the threat of it, coercion).

Maybe she never will though, who knows. It doesn't take much to switch from one view to another, even though the events that took place never change.

It's like a light switch, turning it on illuminates things from the past sometimes better left unseen... and with only one move of switch it can all disappear in an instant.

When I am tired of the light, I do like I do every night I go to sleep... I flip the switch.
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2007, 11:23:13 PM »
Well put....

I hope that in this girls case she flips the switch for a little while, for the sake of the kids being abused now because of her book. This is when I stop trying and just pray that God helps this lady.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2007, 03:48:00 AM »
Was this claire and Mia?
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2007, 08:49:26 AM »
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Was this claire and Mia?


You know it.
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2007, 12:51:38 PM »
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Quote from: ""Oz girl""
Was this claire and Mia?

You know it.


Sorry, can't agree that this kid was brainwashed. Read the book.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2007, 12:07:58 AM »
I read the book. Mia came across as surprisingly articulate and intelligent. i f i had read it in an information Vacum I would assume this place was rough but fair.
But then i also read the chief of Police was so disgusted he wanted to contact the FBI to report the parents as equally culpable as the staff. i also read an article interviewing one of the disgruntled ex morava staff wgho described a girl being denied toilet breaks until she shat her pants. Mia thought Morava was pretty nurturing. Was she brainwashed or is this any all american girl's idea of nurturing guest?
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2007, 01:45:27 AM »
Quote from: ""Oz girl""
Mia thought Morava was pretty nurturing. Was she brainwashed or is this any all american girl's idea of nurturing guest?


I can guess at her state of mind. When I first got out of Straight, local authorities and the media were on one of their perennial intense interest and outrage kicks. They were trying to get kids to make formal complaints against their parents and the program. I was more than willing to do that, except that I hadn't seen or experienced any real abuse.

I really thought that that was the case when they asked me. I thought of, but didn't tell them, about the couple of days that I got marathoned and sat on. I thought it wouldn't be fair to describe that as abuse because I, just like everybody, had a choice. If we would just comply and participate, those things wouldn't happen. I was only vaguely aware of the mindfuck aspect of it. No, I was acutely, painfully aware of it, just at a complete loss as to how to articulate it at all. And I didn't want to be a part of promoting the idea that everything in there would be just okee dokee if only they'd eliminate the sort of abuse that leaves physical evidence. And, besides, I guess I had sort of a familial bond w/ the people involved. I wanted the program shut down and the whole crazy thing to stop. But I didn't want anyone involved, especially my parents, to suffer one bit more than was absolutely necessary to make that happen. And I didn't trust the state people, I thought they were working their own agenda, nevermind what it did to the pawns involved. And back around yet again to 'it's not fair to call it abuse, outsideers just wouldn't understand so I'd better just say nothing.'

That's how brainwashing works. You just induce enough fatigue and self doubt in someone so that they'll be grateful for any simplistic explanation to believe in, however unbelievable.
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She will come out of it - in due time
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2007, 03:00:33 AM »
I think that she would mature at some point. She is still busy being a good daughter.

In the meantime we need to create a wikipedia page about Morova. The whole story is so bizar, (Her mother not protecting her against the molester and lock her up instead) that I could use some of the chapters to describe the conditions at the facility. People will recognize that the mother is not well, when it is described NPOV and not mixed with 1000 of feelings.

While fornits was undergoing repair, I used the time to create these pages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Gorge_Academy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Cove

Those pages were improved:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_at_Dundee_Ranch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_By_The_Sea

(It is not all my work. People wants to build on the foundation. That is good. Even attempted cover-up is good. Why cover-up if there is nothing to hide?)

I have a problem about Morova. I dont speak the local language. Please help me translating local articles. I think that there is useful imformation there.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2007, 04:38:19 PM »
Ok I'm staring to think that MW had no idea what it was he was promoting. I'm getting ready to go and do the Mardi Gras thing and I have the tv on. I hear MW interviewing this group of people who went through the whole X-gay boot camp thing and he condemns these programs(thank God). So I don't know maybe he didn't realize that this girl and mum duo was promoting wwasps.
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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2007, 02:11:21 AM »
Actually Cassandra in spite of my sarcastic response to guest i do kind of get why Mia felt the way she did about WWASP. Who does not want to beleive that their parents act out of love for them? Or that they went to hell and back in vain?
I also think if i were in her shoes after writing something like that there is no way i would ever publically go back on it even if i did change my mind.
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