Author Topic: MTV Juvies (Read 4282 times)

Anonymous · « **on:** February 09, 2007, 01:46:34 PM »

This is like a weekly version of "Scared Straight," aimed at a young audience to give it a taste and feel for what it's like to suddenly be in juvenile detention because of a bad decision. The first episode deals with a 16-year-old girl whose mother has had police pick her up as a runaway (a recurring theme on upcoming shows), and a 17-year-old boy apparently wrongfully charged with stealing a car. The cameras follow them as they're locked up and forced into the system until they face a stern judge. The difference between the two in the first show is the attitude of the parents ? which is true in real life as well. You can't help but feel sorry for the kids ? or to feel despair for their lack of skills at looking beyond the immediate moment to see what the consequences of their actions might be. There's a hard dose of reality in this reality show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1PgsWpZeiU

Nihilanthic · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2007, 01:57:18 PM »

Great, more drama-mongering at the expense of children.

What else is new?

I do find it fucking hilarious someone can be locked up for running away of all things... but at least shes in a jail, and not a program.

Deborah · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2007, 02:29:53 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

You can't help but feel sorry for the kids ? or to feel despair for their lack of skills at looking beyond the immediate moment to see what the consequences of their actions might be. There's a hard dose of reality in this reality show.

I would say, "lack of knowledgeof the consequences of their actions". And in this sense, this show could be educational. It could teach kids how to be more discrete and careful to avoid being incarcerated.

Nihilanthic · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2007, 02:31:01 PM »

I doubt that very much, Deb.

This is going to be presented as "you'll get caught and punished" kind of thing, not how the system works in a informative manner.

If you wanna learn how to not get caught, you talk to your cellmate, DUUUHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh!

Deborah · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2007, 02:40:53 PM »

I saw half of that program, and it damn sure was educational. If someone told me that if I did x,y,z I might end up in juvie. I may not be as careful as I might be if I knew what the details of juvie actually were. It appeared to be a factual depiction of how the kid is booked and life inside juvie. And I'm guessing the judge was pretty typical as well. I don't think it's harmful or oppressive to educate kids on how their society treats anyone deemed a criminal. How is it useful to withhold that information?
Now, if the program did not accurately depict the situation, that might be a different matter.

Nihilanthic · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2007, 02:41:55 PM »

Seemed to me as if if you were saying it could teach them how to avoid juvie... as in how to not get caught.

The kind of stuff career criminals tend to know, I misunderstood you.

Covergaard · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2007, 03:02:19 PM »

Compared to the situation in my country there is a lot more handcuffs legirons etc.

In my country it is not a crime to be a runaway. You can not be put in jail just for bering a runaway but the authorities would try to find either treatment, supervised apartment or a foster home. Living in the street or staying at an adult over 18 years of age is not allowed without consent from the parents.

But.

At least these children in the show get to go before a judge before they are locked up.

They are way better protected than the inmates at wwasp and aspen!

Watchaduen · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2007, 09:31:13 PM »

As a parent watching this show for the first time last night, I thought it was very educational. They weren't bad kids in there, but they were suffering a consequence for something done wrong. I wish more children landed in front of a judge/juvie instead of parents (especially frightened, mislead, worried) becoming the judge, jury and deciding the sentence. I guess that's why we have laws in place. I know that I thought I was doing the right thing by sending my child to a christian academy (aka torture/abusive place). I was so afraid of the judicial system I was trying to save him. In the end I should have stayed out of it and if he continued his ways he would have wound up in Juvi. In front of a Judge to decide his fate.

Nihilanthic · « **Reply #8 on:** February 09, 2007, 09:32:52 PM »

What you neglected to mention in that is that most program kids have not done anything wrong at all, legally speaking or otherwise.

Anonymous · « **Reply #9 on:** February 09, 2007, 09:34:37 PM »

Every kid should go through an experience like Juvies. Instead of getting summers off from school, many kids, if not all, would benefit from a brief stay (2-6 weeks) in a correctional facility with therapy and medications to help sort things out and do a self inventory. Spare the rod, spoil the child. If parents aren't willing to do something, the schools need to get involved. Juvies provides an excellent model, IMHO.

Nihilanthic · « **Reply #10 on:** February 09, 2007, 09:35:40 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

Every kid should go through an experience like Juvies. Instead of getting summers off from school, many kids, if not all, would benefit from a brief stay (2-6 weeks) in a correctional facility with therapy and medications to help sort things out and do a self inventory. Spare the rod, spoil the child. If parents aren't willing to do something, the schools need to get involved. Juvies provides an excellent model, IMHO.

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I WANT MY FUCKING ELEVEN!!!

Watchaduen · « **Reply #11 on:** February 09, 2007, 09:50:21 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

Every kid should go through an experience like Juvies. Instead of getting summers off from school, many kids, if not all, would benefit from a brief stay (2-6 weeks) in a correctional facility with therapy and medications to help sort things out and do a self inventory. Spare the rod, spoil the child. If parents aren't willing to do something, the schools need to get involved. Juvies provides an excellent model, IMHO.

I watched last night, only the second half. One boy was in there for fighting. In this day and time you can't bully other kids. This boy got into a fight while locked up also, thus a 24 hour lock down for him. Another boy was caught smoking pot while driving (ran a stop sign). Again, illegal. So as an average upper middle class parent, this is the normal stuff that we parents start freaking out about. Your kid starts fighting all the time. This boy just didn't have one fight that landed him locked up. A juvi running a stop sign while a joint is going in the car. Both, they needed consequences. They got it. They both got out when they seen the Judge. I think a good lesson learned, what those boys do with that lesson will be entirely up to them.

Anonymous · « **Reply #12 on:** February 09, 2007, 09:55:48 PM »

24 hours in lockup, and my son would be out the next night with a bigger joint in his mouth running more stop signs. That kind of female (judge) operated deterrent doesn't work for some kids, especially my boys. They needed a longer structure program. I wish the schools would give us some middle ground like a six week program. I had to spend a lot of my own private money on a program. I wish they provided more than a 24 hour program for all my tax dollars.

Nihilanthic · « **Reply #13 on:** February 09, 2007, 09:56:00 PM »

I think relying on humiliation and anxiety to teach life lessons is pretty stupid.

What matters is their judgement when that shit wears OFF.

Nihilanthic · « **Reply #14 on:** February 09, 2007, 09:56:39 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

24 hours in lockup, and my son would be out the next night with a bigger joint in his mouth running more stop signs. That kind of female (judge) operated deterrent doesn't work for some kids, especially my boys. They needed a longer structure program. I wish the schools would give us some middle ground like a six week program. I had to spend a lot of my own private money on a program. I wish they provided more than a 24 hour program for all my tax dollars.

I wish you provided parenting to your kids!

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its just too obvious in this thread...

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