The future of LifeStep

[Covergaard]

During my research of Aspen Ranch, ASR og Copper Canyon I have discovered that Lifestep has been abandoned at ASR.

Detainees from Aspen Ranch has to go to Copper Canyon for the Marathon seminars and it is only those person, who is "working the program", who is tormented with the ordeal.

According to a press-release ASR made that the decision to abandon Lifestep in order to achieve better results.

Why did the rest of the facilities not go in the same direction. Why continue to use a less efficiend method?

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_at_Swift_River
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_Canyon_Academy

[Anonymous]

oh my god....maybe they just realized that what they were doing might have been wrong and decided to try something else.  what is so hard to believe about this.  i mean you down the Lifesteps over and over and when it appears they feel the same way instead of seeing what comes about you stil lhave to down them.  i don;t get it!

[Troll Control]

Can't remember where I read it (someone help me out here), but ASR is indeed carrying on with the LGAT marathons, only they're calling it someting else and claim it has been "refined."

Same shit, different name...

[Covergaard]

I found this press release from the marketing firm of the industry.

http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5437.shtml

How should I interpret this press release? It was not meant for us.

[Anonymous]

Don't interpret it. It's ass-covering nonsense.

[Deborah]

I found this press release from the marketing firm of the industry.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5437.shtml
How should I interpret this press release? It was not meant for us.

Wasn't meant for us, but is definitely a response to their critics. You can interpret it as an attempt to sway the public/ed cons/etc to believe that they're changing their ways. Apparently trying to move away from the reputation of employing CEDUs experimental methods. Trying to present the program as softer and more therapeutic. The methods would have to be described by a survivor and scrutinized before it can be determined if they are evidence based or not.
What's relevant is that they're admitting that the methods they "previously employed" (wink,wink) were unethical, weren't evidence-based, and harmful.
They also brought an industry gal on board to do 'research' of their facilities (Behrens), and there's plenty about that scam on Fornits. Just search Behrens.

[Troll Control]

I found this press release from the marketing firm of the industry.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5437.shtml
How should I interpret this press release? It was not meant for us.

Wasn't meant for us, but is definitely a response to their critics. You can interpret it as an attempt to sway the public/ed cons/etc to believe that they're changing their ways. Apparently trying to move away from the reputation of employing CEDUs experimental methods. Trying to present the program as softer and more therapeutic. The methods would have to be described by a survivor and scrutinized before it can be determined if they are evidence based or not.
What's relevant is that they're admitting that the methods they "previously employed" (wink,wink) were unethical, weren't evidence-based, and harmful.
They also brought an industry gal on board to do 'research' of their facilities (Behrens), and there's plenty about that scam on Fornits. Just search Behrens.

"Psychodrama" and "Sociometry" are the junk sciences of psychology.  The methods are not mainstream and success in treatment has never been proven.

These topics get, at best, maybe one college course to cover both along with a few other "experimental" methods.  Mostly these methods are taught at "training institutes" :roll: and not any bona-fide colleges.

If someone can provide clinical trial results, I'd like to see those.

[Deborah]

Well, here's the irony.
They issued this press release, "Lifesteps or Mis-steps" in Oct stating the methods previously used were potentially damaging AFTER Behren's "long-term study" was released in Aug attempting to show efficacy.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=215887#215887

[TheWho]

It appears (to me) that ASR, like many schools and businesses, react to the findings and studies, as they come to light, and use this as an opportunity to improve and grow.  
I have always been a  firm believer that the ability to recognize short comings in ones own businesses? process and adjust quickly is key (and in my opinion is fundamental) to the success and long term survival of any business.  To step up and say ?This doesn?t appear to be working as well as we would like? and then ?change it? and implement a new strategy shows business integrity, Professional courage and confidence in their commitment to helping these children.

[Deborah]

You idiot.
The appropriate analogy here is that, following a year-long study, a report is presented to the shareholders claiming that the business model was excellent, all was good, profits up.
Two months later, it's reported that the business model is flawed at it's very core and will be restructured.

[TheWho]

You idiot.
The appropriate analogy here is that, following a year-long study, a report is presented to the shareholders claiming that the business model was excellent, all was good, profits up.
Two months later, it's reported that the business model is flawed at it's very core and will be restructured.

Patience and educating others doesn?t seem to be a strong point with you??
So harsh, Deborah !!  They are restructuring ?.every company I have ever had business dealings with (that have been successful) has restructured from time to time.  Beware of the ones that don?t change with the times as new information/technology come to light, they will not grow or thrive, because they cant (or wont) see the larger picture.

[Troll Control]

You're a dope.  The research that LGATs were harmful has been around since the 60's.  This place was using an already debunked method for years knowing full well what the research showed.  

Now that people are hip to what LGATs are, they have to change the name to "psychodrama" which is equally debunked and should never be performed by anyone not explicitly trained in its methods and even as practiced by those people it is shown to be ineffective and possibly damaging.  New name, same concept.

[TheWho]

You're a dope.  The research that LGATs were harmful has been around since the 60's.  This place was using an already debunked method for years knowing full well what the research showed.  

Now that people are hip to what LGATs are, they have to change the name to "psychodrama" which is equally debunked and should never be performed by anyone not explicitly trained in its methods and even as practiced by those people it is shown to be ineffective and possibly damaging.  New name, same concept.

 ....."Advances, however, in our understanding of trauma, the adolescent brain and disorders of affect regulation have correspondingly led to more judicious applications of expressive therapies. These understandings have played a key role in Swift River's implementation of an evidenced based clinical model...............................................Psychodramatic methods can be very powerful, however, when misapplied can create the risk of harm especially for certain adolescent populations.

Press release 10/24/2006"

[Troll Control]

Advances, however, in our understanding of trauma, the adolescent brain and disorders of affect regulation have correspondingly led to more judicious applications of expressive therapies.

Advances?  This has been widely known since the 60's!

Is ASR lying or incompetent?  It's got to be one of the two!

[Nihilanthic]

Just stop arguing with him already?