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Offline Anonymous

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2007, 06:12:32 PM »
Robert?

There aren't 30,000 kids.

There's maybe 20,000.

Don't confuse TheWho's numbers with reality.
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2007, 06:25:58 PM »
My mistake.

So that changes our figures for kids in the private theraputic sector  to 1 out of every 3,334 kids being killed by staff members.

and

1 out of every 20,000 kids committing.

I guess things still have a long way to go afterall.

For the previous year we have

1 out of every 2,857 kids being killed by staff members

and

1 out of every 10,000 killing themselves.

Still proving that the public sector is safer than the private theraputic one.
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2007, 08:08:21 PM »
Here's what Cindy wants you to believe the data says for the year in question

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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001

Outside a TBS:
There where 2,059 Homicides and 1,890 suicides
Inside a TBS
There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicides. (Data still being collected for TBS?s)


Cindy believes the six other kids who lost their lives don't matter.
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2007, 12:48:27 PM »
Here is the data including those deaths that occured in the public schoosl:

The data for the year in question stands as follows:

In the public sector out of 52,000,000 kids 2059 were killed outside of school, roughly translating to:

1 out of every 25,255 kids being killed outside of school.

Of those same 52,000,000 1,890 committed suicide outside of school.

Translating to roughly

1 out of every 27,513 kids committing suicide outside of school.

In school out of 52,000,000 17 kids were killed. Translating to:

1 out of every 3,058,824 kids being killed in school.

Of those same 52,000,000 5 kids committed suicide while in school.

Translating to:

1 out of every 10,400,000 kids killing themselves while in school.

In the Private Theraputic Sector out of 20,000 kids 6 kids were killed by staff members, translating to:

1 out of every 3,334 kids being killed by staff members.

Of those same 20,000 kids 1 committed suicide, translating to:

1 out of every 20,000 kids killing themselves.
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2007, 04:48:32 PM »
So a child enrolled at a therapeutic behavioural modification facility is three thousand six hundred and forty times more likely to be killed in any given year than a child enrolled in the public education system.
This data included inner city Los Angeles, yes?
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2007, 06:35:33 PM »
Yes it does. How damning is that? A kid is more likely to be killed in one of these places then he is walking down the streets of east compton.
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2007, 07:55:22 PM »
Quote from: ""MightyAardvark""
So a child enrolled at a therapeutic behavioural modification facility is three thousand six hundred and forty times more likely to be killed in any given year than a child enrolled in the public education system.
This data included inner city Los Angeles, yes?


The safe warehouse argument has now been completely discredited.

LON starts to spin by saying "kids who need programs are x times more likely" by pulling it out of his ass in 5...4...3...
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« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2007, 05:41:53 PM »
i hope you all realize that your numbers, apart from deaths but specifically including "murdered", rely mostly on your own daffynition of "murder".  but even accepting that a death is nore likely in a private sector place than in the public at large, you ignore the reality that those in the private sector places are there because they already present some heightened risks to themselves and/or others.  that is a bit like saying 1992 cars are less reliable than 2007 cars because they require more repairs -- ignoring the wear and tear the 92s have undergone.
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« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2007, 05:53:57 PM »
Fuck off, cunt. We know it's you, O5, and your arguments make just as little sense as ever.

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« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2007, 06:01:43 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
i hope you all realize that your numbers, apart from deaths but specifically including "murdered", rely mostly on your own daffynition of "murder".  but even accepting that a death is nore likely in a private sector place than in the public at large, you ignore the reality that those in the private sector places are there because they already present some heightened risks to themselves and/or others.  that is a bit like saying 1992 cars are less reliable than 2007 cars because they require more repairs -- ignoring the wear and tear the 92s have undergone.


yawn... so you support sending kids with suicidal tendencies to "emotional growth" boarding schools then?
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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2007, 06:38:20 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
i hope you all realize that your numbers, apart from deaths but specifically including "murdered", rely mostly on your own daffynition of "murder".  but even accepting that a death is nore likely in a private sector place than in the public at large, you ignore the reality that those in the private sector places are there because they already present some heightened risks to themselves and/or others.  that is a bit like saying 1992 cars are less reliable than 2007 cars because they require more repairs -- ignoring the wear and tear the 92s have undergone.


Dear Guest, It's not the issues that kill these kids it's the programs. Even "normal" people placed in these programs would(do) crack.
It's the bullet, not the body it cuts though, that kills...
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« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2007, 07:18:01 PM »
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that is a bit like saying 1992 cars are less reliable than 2007 cars because they require more repairs -- ignoring the wear and tear the 92s have undergone.


Oh I know Anne of St. Paul Minnesota, just as soon as the warranty goes out on kids they start fucking up! Don't you just hate that?
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2007, 10:29:26 PM »
*cough*

Lots of newer cars are problematic. The real thing?

1. Shittier construction with newer things more often than not - electrically speaking that is

2. With older cars you KNOW WHAT WILL GO WRONG. With new cars you're constantly waiting on something to fuck up, 'cause you don't know what it is yet!

But I think the moral of the story is that programs are 30 years old and we still won't admit to ourselves what is wrong with them, even though the SAME FUCKING THING HAPPENS IN EVERY PROGRAM CONSISTENTLY  :flame:
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CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2007, 08:05:32 AM »
okay so let's work on the assuption that kids in programs represent an inherently higher risk population than the general public due to the fact that at least some of them are going to have some problems, they're not being set away for being too nice afterall.
Let's compare death rates amongst program kids to death rates amongst juvenile offenders.
While we are at it why don't we compare recidivism rates and the rates of drug related hospital admission.

submissions anyone?
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2007, 08:26:52 AM »
Quote from: ""MightyAardvark""
submissions anyone?

I'm sure TheWho and RobertBruce can provide them.
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