Moral Victory

[*jane*]

In my opinion, a large obstacle to all of this is AA...AA itself is based on many of the same philosophies found in these straight types of facilites. Such as dont think for yourself, admit powerlessness, confrontation (although not to the same extent of course), hitting rock bottom, alcoholism is a disease. What type of research has been done on the efficacy of AA? Not much as it is, you know, anonymous. Yet how can this be ethical??

The state of affairs in drug treatment is basically on the level of a bunch of uneducated people running abusive treatment centers that a bunch of uneducated people will pay to have their child put into. Its downright medieval--we are living in the freaking dark ages.

Is there any treatment for drug and/or alcohol dependency that anyone here would support?  Or do drug and alcohol dependency and associated problems not really exist and therefore not need treatment?

I do not agree at all with Straight tactics, but what is the answer to trying to help people with these dependencies?  What would you recommend?[/quote]

Pretty much pick anything besides TCs and AA:

Cognitive therapy
Behavioral therapy
Cognitive Behavioral therapy
Person-Centered Therapy
Family Systems therapy
Psychoanalytic therapy
Gestalt therapy
Adlerian therapy
Existential therapy
Transactional analysis
EMDR
Activity therapy for teens
Motivational interviewing
Solution-focused therapy
Narrative therapy
Transtheoretical therapy


Uh, I'm sure there's more...

The world is full of treatment modalities which get completely ignored for the most part in the addiction industry in favor of what, AA and TCs? Gotta love it.

[4Reagan2Youth0]

"Treatments" to cure behavior, culture and belief???

Too many are based on scare tactics like:

Just one sip of alcohol will lead to a drunken death.. You?re an addict so this applies to you shit...
Even alcohol in food can trigger the alcoholic to go on a drunken rampage. (good excess if needed I guess)

You can believe them or believe in yourself..

[Anonymous]

"This is an alternative budgeting method in my opinion," he said.


Given the risks involved with this type of drug treatment, there is surely potential for great sums of $$$$ to be paid out by various defendants, agencies and insurance companies to victims in future abuse and/or criminal cases. There must be a better way to spend $200,000 of hard earned Porter County taxpayer dollars. Porter County leaders are setting a bad example for their citizens. Did they take bids from other programs? Why are they so dead set on PFC? Why did this Bob Harper guy ignore the survivors who came from hundreds of miles to politely attend this event? He is neither blind nor deaf. So some kids are off drugs, but at what cost? Why does PFC need $1million? They already have existing facilities that are not anywhere near at their capacity. Where are the others? Where was the public during this so-called "public meeting"? HUH? They were anywhere but at the meeting. Seems to me that if the public supported this program, at least someone would have showed up at the meeting. Everyone there was from PFC or the government. Well, except for a few straight inc survivors, that is.
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[teachback]

There's nothing wrong with them that an assault rifle wouldn't fix.

[Anne Bonney]

"This is an alternative budgeting method in my opinion," he said.


Given the risks involved with this type of drug treatment, there is surely potential for great sums of $$$$ to be paid out by various defendants, agencies and insurance companies to victims in future abuse and/or criminal cases. There must be a better way to spend $200,000 of hard earned Porter County taxpayer dollars. Porter County leaders are setting a bad example for their citizens. Did they take bids from other programs? Why are they so dead set on PFC? Why did this Bob Harper guy ignore the survivors who came from hundreds of miles to politely attend this event? He is neither blind nor deaf. So some kids are off drugs, but at what cost? Why does PFC need $1million? They already have existing facilities that are not anywhere near at their capacity. Where are the others? Where was the public during this so-called "public meeting"? HUH? They were anywhere but at the meeting. Seems to me that if the public supported this program, at least someone would have showed up at the meeting. Everyone there was from PFC or the government. Well, except for a few straight inc survivors, that is.
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You know all the answers to those questions.  They don't really care.  They write off the people that criticize the place as 'disgruntled former patients' or 'liberal legalizers'.  They were lobbied and it worked.  The "public" could really give a shit.  This kind of treatment has become so accepted and ingrained that ti doesn't raise any eyebrows when one comes to town.  Happens all the time.  Sucks.

Hey, at least you guys tried right?

[Anonymous]

Is it time to quit trying? Given the amount of historical info on this type of treatment, it is possible that the number of clients would be kept at a minimum at the very least... Of course, it would be better if there were NO clients at all in these types of programs, but, the courts are all in on this too, so it sure seems like a no win situation. It would be nice if SOMEONE cared. Let's hope a kid doesn't die in there to make them see the light.

[teachback]

People care- just enough not enough of them in that particular area, unfortunately.