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« on: January 19, 2007, 01:32:56 PM »
What some of our former and successful classmates are into these days...

http://www.ericdsnider.com/movies/what-the-do-we-know/

What the #$*! Do We Know!?

Here's what we know: We know that "What the #$*! Do We Know!?" is a tedious, faux-philosophical waste of time. We know it is brimming with New Age ideas that violate the laws of both physics and common sense. We know that the filmmakers, William Arntz, Betsy Chasse and Mark Vicente, are practitioners of a quasi-religion called the Ramtha School of Englightenment and that the film, colloquially known as "What the Bleep," is basically a commercial for Ramtha.

I don't have a problem with being proselytized, as long as I know that's what's going on. But the film doesn't tell us Arntz and friends' background. We are left to our own devices to discover their true agenda.

Not that it matters, really. The film is mind-numblingly pretentious and dull anyway. Knowing its background merely adds the extra sin of being distasteful.

A series of talking heads -- none of whose names or credentials are given until the very end, when we discover one of them is just a chiropractor -- spout nonsense on the order of, "Have you ever seen yourself through the eyes of someone else that you have become?" (Answer: No. Can I have some more marijuana, please?) Or this one: "If you believe with every rudiment of your being that you will walk on water, will you walk on water? Yes." (Correct answer: No.)

The film purports to be about quantum physics, "the physics of possibilities." It suggests that perhaps all realities exist simultaneously, and that it is within our power to determine which one we live in. It suggests maybe the world we know is fake and we just have to get out of it to see what it really is, which I'd already considered, because, you know, I saw "The Matrix."

Mostly there are the talking heads that spew mumbo-jumbo, but there is also a fictionalized story about a deaf woman named Amanda (Marlee Matlin) who encounters people who tell her how to explore her realities. She also encounters her roommate Jennifer (Elaine Hendrix), who is possibly the most chirpy, annoying character in any film this year. The acting in general, in fact, is quite bad throughout the film -- the result, I suppose, of having three directors with no directing experience trying to make actors say preposterous things.

If quantum physics is your thing, then perhaps "What the Bleep" has some ideas that will get you thinking. But perhaps not, too. Did I mention it's flat, dull and pompous? What the bleep, guys? Seriously, what the bleep?

Grade: D

Rated PG-13, some very brief sexuality, a little profanity

1 hr., 51 min.
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2007, 01:37:46 PM »
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http://www.rickross.com/reference/ramtha/ramtha14.html

What the #$*! Do They Know?

Directed by Mark Vicente, Betsy Chasse, and William Arntz. Lord of the Wind Films, 2004.

Skeptical Inquirer/September 2004
Reviewed by Eric Scerri

People who espouse New Age philosophies are not generally known for their knowledge of modern science or their respect for critical thinking. Ironically enough, though, when it comes to quantum mechanics, everything seems to change, and they embrace it wholeheartedly. Given half a chance, many of them have something to say on the subject. But what New Agers really seem to like about quantum mechanics is all those alleged bizarre effects that they mistakenly believe can be appropriated to support their views on the nature of reality and the cosmos.

It therefore comes as no surprise that the makers of a recent New Age movie making its way across the country decided to inject a massive dose of quantum mechanics into the film's storyline. What the #$*! Do We Know!? is packing them in. Many people who have seen the movie are already claiming that it has changed their lives. I tried to go to one of the first screenings in Los Angeles and was turned away because it was sold out. So what is this movie that uses quantum mechanics to change people's lives?

Filmed largely in Portland, the movie is a hodgepodge of all kinds of crackpot nonsense dressed up as modern science. The film oscillates between interviews with a number of so-called experts (especially in physics) and a rather flimsy storyline involving a deaf woman, played by Marlee Matlin, who is being encouraged to wake up and see life's full potential. A young basketball player who has taken it upon himself to enlighten her repeatedly asks her how far down the rabbit hole she wants to go.

An examination of the film's pedigree helps explain its peculiar approach. The three directors are students of Ramtha's School of Enlightenment in Yelm, Washington, which is run by New Age channeller J.Z. Knight. Knight claims to channel a 35,000-year-old warrior from ancient Lemuria named Ramtha (aka "The Enlightened One"), who dispenses wisdom through her. Ramtha's followers are said to include many people from the entertainment industry, such as actors Linda Evans, Don Johnson, Shirley MacLaine, and Richard Chamberlain. Knight herself appears in the film as one of the talking heads, and even holds forth on the subject of quantum mechanics.

Knight, who's been channeling her prehistoric alter ego since the 1970s, is paid as much as $1,500 by those who attend retreats held at her school.

I want to focus a little on the science, because this is where I believe the film is at its most disingenuous. Each of the physicists interviewed trots out a sound bite or two about how quantum mechanics supposedly shows that objects can be in two places at once, that matter is mostly empty space, or that all parts of the universe are deeply interconnected. The existence of a reality that's independent from the human mind as usually understood by scientists, or indeed by any rational person, is repeatedly assaulted to the point of being mocked. In addition, we are assured that when Columbus arrived on the shores of the Americas, the natives could not actually see his ships because it was beyond their paradigm of what could exist.

The fact that the science is being distorted and sensationalized here is not at all surprising. What puzzles me the most is that by making quantum mechanics the heart of the movie, the filmmakers have fallen prey to a crude form of reductionism which is usually regarded as the enemy of New Age ways of thinking. By focusing so much on basic physics, the filmmakers do not seem to realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot. One moment they talk about all kinds of emergent phenomena, such as global consciousness, that go far beyond the reductionist worldview. The next moment they seem to suggest that the physics of fundamental particles explains human behavior! Even if we grant that quantum mechanics tells us that particles can be at two places at once-which, of course, it does not-how can one then assume that such bizarre effects work their way right up to macroscopic dimensions with no attenuation in order to determine human behavior? As many scientists and philosophers now realize, even if matter is fundamentally governed by the laws of quantum mechanics, this does not entitle us to suppose that chemical and biological phenomena will follow those same forms of behavior. This is to say nothing of even larger leaps such as the question of whether human behavior is dictated by the laws of physics.

Reductionism works in principle but not in practice, even though all the branches of science are interrelated. If you want to perform a certain chemical reaction, you ask a chemist. You do not ask a quantum physicist, although, in many instances, the quantum physicists may have some very helpful things to say on the matter. If you want to study biological organisms, you do experiments on the biological scale instead of renting time at the local particle accelerator. The breakdown of strict reductionism has become common knowledge among scientists, and yet Amit Goswami, John Hagelin, and Fred Alan Wolf, to mention just three from the film, have not caught up with this way of thinking about science. They prefer to remain within the old-fashioned paradigm that supposes that everything is indeed nothing but physics. This is not entirely surprising, given that each of them earns money writing books about popular physics laced with allusions to Eastern mysticism and the "really big questions in life." But now their knowledge of quantum mechanics is even allowing them to become movie stars and, better still, in a movie that is changing people's lives!

After dazzling the audience with dubious pronouncements from quantum physics, the storyline returns to Marlee Matlin's character, who is having an ever-increasing number of mind-expanding experiences, culminating in her realization that she no longer needs her prescription pills and that she can toss them into a lake. What a pity that the appreciation of modern science shown by New Agers is restricted to the more esoteric parts which are seen as supporting their worldviews. Meanwhile, something as beneficial (and mundane) as modern pharmacology is viewed with utter contempt to the point that people are effectively being told to throw away their prescription drugs and to cure themselves by waking up to the real meaning of life.
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2007, 01:41:42 PM »
Please stop it already. And what exactly is the relevance? Is one of the directors a former classmate of whom you are envious? Is that the reason for posting the bad reviews?
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2007, 01:42:38 PM »
And more...

http://www.rickross.com/reference/ramtha/ramtha15.html

What the #$*! is Ramtha

The year's sleeper hit was inspired by a 35,000-year-old warrior spirit from Atlantis.

Willamette Week/December 22, 2004
By Chris Lydgate

The most intriguing movie of 2004 has nothing to do with George W. Bush, Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, or killer zombies. No, the topic is metaphysics--and the movie is What the Bleep Do We Know?

Shot in Portland, the film stars deaf actress Marlee Matlin as a Xanax-gobbling photographer whose world turns inside out after a chance encounter on a basketball court. Her story is punctuated by a Greek chorus of physicists, philosophers, psychologists and mystics slinging soundbites about quantum mechanics.

Think Stephen Hawking on an acid trip.

The premise may sound outlandish, but the film has become a cult classic. More than 60,000 people saw it at the Bagdad Theater, where it played for 18 weeks. "It's been a huge success," says Peter Boicourt, the film buyer for McMenamins theaters. "We've never played a film that long before."

The Chicago Tribune called it "modern science for dummies." The Dallas Morning News described it as "a film that dares to treat people as smart and deeply curious rather than dumb and deeply cynical."

"It's the best movie I've ever seen," declared teacher Brooke Kaye-Albright, who attended an event with one of the film's directors at the New Renaissance Bookstore last week. "It helps me realize what I'm really capable of."

"I loved it," added Leisa Vandehey, an office worker for Multnomah County. "I wish I could bring everyone I know to see it."

To date, the film has drawn more than a million viewers and grossed $9.6 million--piddling by Hollywood standards (Spider-Man 2 grossed $373 million) but a smash hit for an indie film.

What most viewers don't realize is that What the Bleep (which also screens as What the #$*! Do We Know?) is the work of a strange sect headquartered a couple of hours north of Portland in the prairie town of Yelm, Wash.

The sect is dedicated to Ramtha, a mighty warrior-spirit from Atlantis, who speaks in a hokey English accent through his channeler, a former cable-TV saleswoman named JZ Knight, who plays herself in What the Bleep.

On the surface, Ramtha's message sounds like a cross between New Age spirituality and Amway optimism. Everything happens for a reason. Take charge of your life. Don't be a victim.

But delve a little deeper, and you find some strange, even disturbing ideas. Ramtha says mirrors are portals to a parallel universe. Ramtha says children with Down syndrome have "chosen" their condition. Ramtha says you can read minds, alter your own DNA, reverse aging, teleport, travel through time, and prolong your life with Twinkies.

Seriously.

All religions have an article of faith. Mormons believe the angel Moroni spoke to Joseph Smith. Catholics believe the wafer and wine become the body and blood of Christ. And "Ramsters" (as they're known in Yelm) believe that when a 58-year-old woman strides on stage, settles into her ceremonial chair, and speaks in a low, strange voice, she is no longer a blue-eyed grandmother named JZ Knight but an enlightened being named Ramtha, who flourished 35,000 years ago.

In 1997, parapsychologists from the Saybrook Graduate School in San Francisco measured Knight's pulse, respiration and other vital signs before and after channeling Ramtha.

"The type of results we got from the psychological and physiological tests are so unique that it's beyond my ability to imagine how someone could fake them," says researcher Stanley Krippner.

Knight refused to speak to WW, but her autobiography describes a difficult childhood. Born in Roswell, N.M. (a year before the infamous Roswell Incident), she grew up dirt-poor in a family with nine children. Her father was an alcoholic who beat her mother. She married a gas-station attendant and had two boys before leaving her husband and moving to Washington state.

She was just another Tacoma housewife until a Sunday afternoon in 1977, when she put a cardboard pyramid on her head and was startled by a shining apparition, 7 feet tall, with "black dancing eyes" standing in her kitchen.

"My name is Ramtha the Enlightened One," he intoned. "And I have come to help you over the ditch."

Whatever Ramtha's reasons for slumbering through the millennia, his timing--in commercial terms--was impeccable. The Age of Aquarius was dawning, channeling was all the rage, and Ramtha's gospel of self-empowerment seemed to strike a chord, especially among women (celebrity fans include Salma Hayek, Linda Evans and Shirley MacLaine.)

Ramtha's disciples (known as "masters") have now swelled to an estimated 5,000 people around the globe, who plunk down $1,000 for a weeklong spell of ancient wisdom every year. To cater to this spiritual hunger, Knight employs 60 people churning out books, tapes, CDs, videos, posters, scents, lotions, candles and elvish capes.

Her company, JZK Inc., refuses to divulge any financial information, but one observer pegs its annual income at $10 million at least. Whatever the figure, it is substantial enough that the girl who was born in a one-room shack now lives in a 12,000-square-foot French-style chateau with six bedrooms, seven fireplaces, a spiral staircase and an indoor pool.

Driving through Yelm (population 3,300) you can't help but feel that the town seems miscast as a mecca. Set 20 miles southeast of Olympia, where the Nisqually River wends its way from the jagged peak of Mount Rainier, Yelm is the kind of place where men wear overalls to work, green moss sprouts on the roofs, and the Christmas parade is front-page news.

On the edge of town, behind a high stone wall, sits the Ranch, a.k.a. Ramtha's School of Enlightenment--a 49-acre spread that functions as a sort of intergalactic headquarters. Here, in an indoor horse ring dubbed the Great Hall, Ramtha holds court before audiences of a thousand masters or more, who sit cross-legged on a floor paved with Astroturf.

WW was barred from attending any of Ramtha's appearances, which typically occur a couple of times a month. But videos and eyewitness accounts depict a charismatic woman thundering from the stage, sometimes challenging the masters, sometimes lecturing them, sometimes leading them in "wine ceremonies" where the entire assembly gets plowed.

On a recent visit, my tour guide was Greg Simmons, RSE's marketing director. With his blue jeans, black wool sweater fraying at the elbows and piercing gaze, Simmons somehow broadcasts both intensity and calm, like a transistor radio tuned to two stations at once.

Simmons' first audience with Ramtha was 22 years ago. He was so awestruck that he eventually quit his job and moved to Yelm.

Ramtha's appeal is plain to see. Stripped to its essentials, the idea is that you possess untapped hidden powers. If you could just channel your own potential, all your problems--your depression, your coke habit, your crummy marriage--would melt away.

This idea is hardly unique--ask your local chapter of Alcoholics Anonymous. But Ramtha takes it one step further. By creating your own reality, Ramsters believe, you can violate the laws of physics. Ramtha teaches that with proper training, you can learn to see in the infrared wavelength, transmit thought or predict the future. To hone their mental powers, disciples wander through a vast outdoor labyrinth with blindfolds duct-taped to their heads for up to eight hours at a time, concentrating on the "void" at the center of the maze. "It builds focus within," says Simmons. "It's just a question of mind over matter."

They also practice telepathy. One will take a scrap of paper, sketch an image--a canoe, for example--and focus on transmission. A second will sit, blindfolded, across the Great Hall, and sketch what they receive. Hundreds of apparently successful transmissions are taped up on the walls, side by side: bicycles, numbers, triplets of colors. "These people don't even speak the same language," Simmons says.

We have lunch together at Annie's Bistro, a well-known Ramster joint in Yelm. He orders the calamari. I choose the stroganoff. Afterwards, we walk out to the parking lot, where I discover that I somehow left my headlights on. My battery is dead. We string a pair of jumper cables from Simmons' immense pickup to my Honda, which fires right up.

"I probably could have done that by just touching the battery," he smiles. "But I didn't want to freak you out."

Approximately 2,000 masters now reside in the Yelm area (only JZ Knight actually lives at the Ranch). While there is no overt hostility, the spiritual immigration has created some friction. The mayor of Yelm refused to make any comments about Ramtha, and local residents roll their eyes at talk of telepathy and quantum potentials.

The fact is that Ramtha has become a significant part of the Yelm economy. The School of Enlightenment draws thousands of masters every year--some of whom have set up cafes, bookstores, galleries and auto shops.

Most of these businesses would seem at home in the dreadlock district of any American city. But deep in the woods between Yelm and Rainier, masters have also set up an operation that would raise a few eyebrows on Hawthorne Boulevard--a private school where 40 children learn, along with the three Rs, how to read minds and sense the unseen.

Sitting on a minuscule blue chair in the first-grade classroom of the Children's School of Excellence, teacher Cheryl Nichols spreads a deck of cards face-down, invites me to choose one--and then guess what it is.

I pull a card from the deck and lay it down on the table, staring at the yellow smiley face on the reverse. Focus. After 30 seconds, the face starts to shimmer. It seems to float up off the table, mocking me.

"Think about it this way," Nichols says. "You've already chosen the card. Now imagine that you've already turned it over. You just have to look and see what it is."

Suddenly, a card appears in my mind's eye--the Seven of Diamonds. I write it down in my notebook, then turn the card over.

It's the Six of Diamonds.

Suddenly, my pulse is racing. Nichols looks at me and smiles.

In 1988, David McCarthy's life was falling apart. A musician and cabinetmaker living in New Zealand, he was stretched to the breaking point by the pressures of raising two daughters, paying a mortgage, and the suicide of his best friend. "I felt like if I stopped for a day, everything would fall apart," he says. "I had to find some answers."

Then he stumbled across a book by Ramtha. "A lot of it rang true for me," he says. "It said, 'Love yourself into life,' and I thought that sounded pretty good."

McCarthy came to Yelm in 1990--and was blown away. "When you're with a thousand kindred spirits, all seeking enlightenment, from all over the world, there's an enthusiasm and camaraderie that's very powerful," he says.

He signed up for classes, workshops and retreats, generally immersing himself in Ramtha's world. To advance through the school and join elite groups such as the Blue College, the Red Guard or the Comrades, masters are required to attend at least two events every year. Skip a mandatory event and you're busted back down to the bottom rank.

Year after year, McCarthy kept coming back, working at his disciplines, seduced by the promise that his new powers were right around the corner. He suppressed his doubts. "You're taught that doubt is your problem," he says. "We are sleeping Gods, and Ramtha will wake us up."

One day, McCarthy and other masters were working on "manifesting"--creating a physical object out of nothing by focusing on a mental image, like a gold coin, a rose, or a blue feather. "After several days, I'd not created anything solid," he says.

Then, across the Great Hall, he heard people shouting. He saw a woman walking through the crowd holding a blue feather over her head. Pandemonium broke out. Over roars of appreciation, the woman took her place next to McCarthy. He leaned over and asked her how she did it.

"She says she went into the store and bought it. I said, 'That's not creating something out of nothing!' And she said, 'Yes it is!--I've created my own reality.' And I thought, 'I have to get out of here.'"

McCarthy, who still lives in Yelm, is now fiercely critical of Knight. "It was a scam," he says. "I have no doubt but that JZ is a fraud."

Another former student, who asked that she be identified only as "Stephanie," spent hours every day following the school's disciplines--focused breathing, meditation, and concentrating on a list of positive thoughts, such as I am fabulously wealthy, I am radiantly healthy, I am 20 years younger, I never age. She believed that she could heal her own illnesses by generating a high-frequency force field where decay could not survive. If she got sick, she thought it was because she wasn't disciplined enough.

Then, one day, she developed a toothache. She went to the dentist for the first time in 10 years and had to get two teeth extracted. "That was my first indication that something was wrong," she says. "I did the disciplines every day for years. But it didn't work. I thought, 'I did not maintain my teeth. I did not reverse aging.'"

"The whole thing is rigged," she says. "I just don't want to do it anymore."

Stories like these sound familiar to Robert Menna, who started collecting information about Ramtha 12 years ago, after his teenage daughter, Alex, ran away to Yelm (she has since quit the group.)

"These are not stupid people," says Menna, who is working on a book about Ramtha. "They're open-minded, idealistic. They want to change the world. But the longer you're in, the harder it is to get out."

Menna says masters follow Ramtha's every pronouncement--no matter how bizarre. In the '80s, when his teachings were filled with tales of UFOs and alien abduction, Ramtha declared that copper could ward off extraterrestrial attacks. Masters lined their ceilings with copper strips and copper pennies. Ramtha warned of apocalyptic battles, or a catastrophic flood. Masters built underground shelters by the score. Ramtha said drinking seawater could boost psychic powers. Masters actually flew to the Dead Sea to scoop up buckets of brine.

In September, Ramtha revealed that Hostess Twinkies contain an ingredient that can prolong life. Masters cleared the nutritious treats from grocery-store shelves. "Ramtha made some kind of announcement, and now everybody's going nuts about Twinkies," says a manager at the Yelm QFC.

"This is a future Heaven's Gate," Menna says.

Simmons dismisses the criticism. "A 'cult' is a dirty little four-letter word you call people you don't like," he says. "The school is too difficult, too scientific, and too wonderful to be a cult."

The most intriguing concept in What the Bleep--and in Ramtha's teachings--is the idea that quantum mechanics is the ultimate proof that the universe is a sort of metaphysical putty we shape with our minds. But one of the experts quoted in the film says this claim is nonsense.

Philosopher David Albert, who runs the Philosophical Foundations of Physics program at Columbia University, says the filmmakers totally misrepresented him. "They must have filmed me for four hours," he told WW. "It became clear to me they believe that...by positive thinking we can alter the structure of the world around us. I spent a long time explaining why that isn't true, going into great detail. But in the movie, my views are turned around 180 degrees."

"The film is pushing a claim that quantum mechanics shows that consciousness is the basis of external reality," he continues. "And that's not an accurate representation."

Back at the Ranch, the masters don't worry too much about the skeptics. They are convinced their "disciplines" produce authentic miracles. They boast of incredible healings--tumors shrunk, T-cell counts restored, cancer destroyed.

"It's all been documented," says Simmons, who personally claims to have levitated (something about counter-rotating magnetic fields spinning fast enough to create an anti-gravity matrix).

Pressed for evidence, however, Simmons demurred. "We're not interested in convincing people," he says finally. "It's not about trying to convince anybody--we're not in the convincing business. We know we have the proof."

It's hard to know whether to be amused or alarmed by the Ramtha phenomenon. History is replete with prophets claiming miraculous powers. Some soar to spectacular heights. Others barely clear the runway. Some genuinely believe they are appointed by God--others are basically con artists in cloaks.

Which is Ramtha? Only JZ Knight knows. Certainly, she has achieved some spectacular results. Since she started channeling Ramtha, she has gone from being a Tacoma nobody to a million-dollar prophet who commands thousands of followers. Whether by divine inspiration or savvy marketing, she has given birth to a creed, a cult or a circus--or maybe, if you go for the quantum outlook, all three.

What the Bleep Do They Know?

Film's "experts" boast intriguing résumés.

Several authorities appear in What the Bleep Do We Know? offering mind-bending insights about reality and perception. But who are they, really? Here's a look at some of the more controversial speakers.

David Albert (above) is a professor and the director of the Philosophical Foundations of Physics program at Columbia University. He says the film completely misrepresented his views.

Dr. Joseph Dispenza is a chiropractor and a master teacher at Ramtha's School of Enlightenment.

Dr. Masaru Emoto is a doctor of alternative medicine who has written three books about messages from water.

Amit Goswami (above) is professor emeritus (in theoretical physics) at the University of Oregon and member of its Institute of Theoretical Science, as well as author of a slew of New Age books. He also lectures at Ramtha's School of Enlightenment.

John Hagelin is a physicist and fan of Transcendental Meditation. He is the director of the Maharishi University of Management's Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy, and has twice run for president as the candidate of the Natural Law Party (whose platform included natural health care, deep tax cuts and "conflict-free politics").

Mgr. Miceal Ledwith is a Catholic priest and former president of Maynooth College in Ireland who resigned after a seminarian accused Ledwith of abusing him as a boy. He is also a master teacher at Ramtha's School of Enlightenment.

Dr. Jeffrey Satinover is a psychiatrist, physicist and author of several books (The Quantum Brain and Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth) who supports reparative therapy for homosexuality and lists Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as one of his heroes.


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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2007, 02:44:39 AM »
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Please stop it already. And what exactly is the relevance? Is one of the directors a former classmate of whom you are envious? Is that the reason for posting the bad reviews?


doesn't seem like its reviews or envy here, but someone went from one cult straight to another (Ramtha)?
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2007, 02:37:53 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2007, 02:42:56 PM »
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http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Cults



check it out !  Hyde is a cult!
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2007, 04:17:21 PM »
Okay, something is confusing me here.  When you go to the bottom of the page, where it says "See Also", why is the reference to Hyde School not clickable (the other entries are), but the footnote is, and why is it locked?  The footnote links you to Hyde School's web page.
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2007, 04:46:43 AM »
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Vanda now lives in Yelm Washington and is currently channeling Ramptha as he now is Coming Out with his new book- I remember when.  Just kidding, enjoy this lost gem.
"Just goes to prove not everyone can do comedy." BS Cactus 1984
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jDoYLh5xIo


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Humor to usher in the New Consciousness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyFZxKgzypA


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God, and Quantum Physics in under three minutes with JZ Knight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIeCy_kWDbQ
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2007, 05:27:04 AM »
Here's one with Paul.  I guess he goes by the name of Pavel these days...
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Join Paula Gloria on Farther Down the Rabbit Hole on location (rabbit hole central? ha-ha!) that is Yelm Washington where the Ramtha School of Enlightenment is located.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwD7Ph1FN3E
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2007, 05:51:05 AM »
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Here's one with Paul.  I guess he goes by the name of Pavel these days...


I guess Joe goes by the name of Ramtha these days.
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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2007, 08:01:16 AM »
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Here's one with Paul.  I guess he goes by the name of Pavel these days...

I guess Joe goes by the name of Ramtha these days.


  Paul and Vanda .... there is a pair of out standing Hyde Diploma holders!  I want to be like them and worship a woman channeling a 35k year old man.   Just for historic context the agrarian basis for what we call civilization, time at about the domestication of the dog is 7 - 8 k years old.  Hey I am open minded. It is possible that  the spirit  of a member grunting crude tool wielding hunter gather tribe in early upper Paleolithic time was a great shaman.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Paleolithic. Hey, L Ron hubbard could be correct and really all those unhelpful thoughts that Paval was talking about are Thetans left over from humanity being forced into a volcanic crater and being obliterated by a hydrogen bomb 50k years ago.

  All of these cults start with and element of true or a useful process and then rap a think layer of horseshit around them.  One of the big take away messages from both the teachings of Christ and Buddha IMHO is the illusionary nature of what passes for reality.  I have seen "what the bleep" and it is correct IMHO that most of what we perceive is just a chemical reaction that you can to a degree control.  Which is in turn (again IMHO) pretty near to the Dyanetic process of getting "cleared."   But the game is like Three Card Monty.  You see the guy in front of you win so you want to play.  I am happy with my teeth so I will not be making any trips to the state of Washington.  I may go to Whistler in BC to work on my chemical reaction to speed and incline (read the rush of down hill skiing) and say a few works to JC before I go.  For full disclosure, I believe the son of a Jewish carpenter and a virgin is the Son of God.  How crazy is that? Cult Cult Cult that Christianity!
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2007, 10:56:11 AM »
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Catholics believe the wafer and wine become the body and blood of Christ.


The first miracle recorded in the gospel is the water into wine at the marriage Cana.  The ceremony of the wine into blood and bread into flesh is most likely taken from a Roman Dionysian Cult over layered on the Christian belief that Christ ( a Greek work meaning anointed) gave the physical body to redeem us from the original sin of Adam and Eve.  That sin is the knowledge of good and evil of if you check Buddha, the perception of the illusion of good and evil.
 Christianity is largely a Paulist branch of Christian thought with the layers of centuries of Roman and Papist  administration plastered on. Personally I have found it instructive in my own faith to read the Gospel of Thomas and books on Jewish Mysticism.

 Oddly if you look at the practice of the Mormon faith you will find a much closer link to Jewish Mystic tradition then you will find in any other Christian faith.  This link is not via the angel Maroni however.  It is from the Knight Templar who knew the symbolism of the temple of Solomon.  The knights were the for runners of the modern F.A.M. This was passed thru the ages as Masonic Ritual.  Joeseph Smith (Joe Gauld's real name!) and Brigham Young were both F.A.M.   The advantage that Knight has is that she has so much more to draw on to do her own pastoral pastiche.
 I would just like to add that I know several members of the LDS.  I agree with Senate Majority leader Harry Reed, they are some of the most kind and decent people I know.  Jesus said "I will judge the tree by the fruit it bears"  Maybe Jesus likes the Mormans.
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2007, 01:27:48 PM »
I should tell my neighbor who is dying of AIDS that if they believe hard enough, a total restoration of health can be instantaneous, as they themselves, in their own minds, are really the "Master of their own Destiny".  The correlating implication here, of course, is that if restoration of health proves illusive, they themselves are at fault for being less than perfect at dispelling doubt.

All the money that is "channeled" in real life currency through JZ Knight's compound probably could feed a small Third World country for the same time period.

Far be it for me to nitpik at someone else's vision of happiness, and I must add that Paul always struck me as being very kind (at least to me)... however, I can not help but feel that something in the environment at Hyde (the water?!) primed these two to go this route...
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2007, 06:02:15 PM »
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if restoration of health proves illusive, they themselves are at fault for being less than perfect at dispelling doubt



  Why yes, it is exactly like Hyde.  If you don't succeed it is your fault.  And if you succeed at Hyde and then fuck up later in life like MC then it is because you did not internalize the message and live up to your unique potential.
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