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Requesting Parents' Assessment of Hyde School
Anonymous:
I think a lot of it had to do with Joe's personal issues with Blanche, his wife, who was also an alcoholic. If I recall correctly, he himself had some issues there as well, albeit not on the scale of what Blanche was dealing with. I don't remember ever seeing Blanche, despite spending the summer program plus three additional years there. I have to wonder just how much she was Persona Non Grata at the mansion, and if so, it'd be my guess that that would have been enforced/conveyed by Joe. Perhaps there were even some passive/aggressive issues between the two of them regarding the wielding of said catechism.
Joe is innately a most persuasive snake-oil saleman cum evangelist, and his audience in the education field and in the arena of desperate parents is just not used to being confronted with such a character, let alone equipped for recognizing him for what he is. I personally don't believe it was as calculated a development as "I'm going to turn my school into a cult," but rather an outgrowth of Joe's personality ("character", if you will) coupled with some training from AA mixed in with other miscellaneous... I think he was definitely attracted to the concept of behavior modification and has less scruples about the degree to which one might employ "tricks of the trade" as, it's all for the cause and, the ends justify the means.
I could be wrong, of course. We could find out some sneaky details of an intimate friendship of his with Art Farmer from way back, for instance, and that would not surprise me one bit and would just totally blow the question of "cult", if there is still one, into the realm of assured, de post facto, bonafide, certified, and santified cultorama... amen!
Anonymous:
ooops!... I meant SANCTIFIED.
(Why is that the typos are almost the most egregious in the most pertinent places? I betray the passion of my fingers on the keyboard...)
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I think a lot of it had to do with Joe's personal issues with Blanche, his wife, who was also an alcoholic. If I recall correctly, he himself had some issues there as well, albeit not on the scale of what Blanche was dealing with. I don't remember ever seeing Blanche, despite spending the summer program plus three additional years there. I have to wonder just how much she was Persona Non Grata at the mansion, and if so, it'd be my guess that that would have been enforced/conveyed by Joe. Perhaps there were even some passive/aggressive issues between the two of them regarding the wielding of said catechism.
Joe is innately a most persuasive snake-oil saleman cum evangelist, and his audience in the education field and in the arena of desperate parents is just not used to being confronted with such a character, let alone equipped for recognizing him for what he is. I personally don't believe it was as calculated a development as "I'm going to turn my school into a cult," but rather an outgrowth of Joe's personality ("character", if you will) coupled with some training from AA mixed in with other miscellaneous... I think he was definitely attracted to the concept of behavior modification and has less scruples about the degree to which one might employ "tricks of the trade" as, it's all for the cause and, the ends justify the means.
I could be wrong, of course. We could find out some sneaky details of an intimate friendship of his with Art Farmer from way back, for instance, and that would not surprise me one bit and would just totally blow the question of "cult", if there is still one, into the realm of assured, de post facto, bonafide, certified, and santified cultorama... amen!
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What does hard bop have to do with Joe. Art Farmer?
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... ddbjolg~T1
I have a lot of hard bop in my CD collection. I think I have some of the horace silver art farmer stuff. I have Sam Rivers on now:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... j9kebtjq7v
Hey the new Bill Frisell/Ron Carter/Paul Motian CD is great.
See look what you did. You got me talking about music.
oh disc justed changed:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=am ... lvad1kt8w1
Benson was good at one point before "Breezin"
Anonymous:
Yikes!!! I underline my previous comment about typos!! (And betray some of my musical taste). Thanks for keeping me on my toes!
I meant to say... ART BARKER!
egads! I am truly mega-mortified!
Here's a link to start you off:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=8&24
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---So the question that has been raised here on the question of standards of diplomas, here is a little story. I was standing at function with Paul Hurd and and another alum from back in the early seventies. This guy turns to me and says "you know the difference between you and some of the kids that got diplomas? Money: how much did your parents give?" I was waiting for Paul to challenge that assurtion but he just smiled and laughted. Maybe Paul is disgruntled too. I would be if my father in law fired me and replaced me with my wife. It must have been like getting your balls crushed in a vise.
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Maybe he deserved it (vise job). What condescending pricks.
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