Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Dundee
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-02-14 11:34:00, spots wrote:
Glenda should be available to spin her syrupy psycho-babble, especially since she was not able to put out a Source magazine this month, and sent out last month's edition instead. Hhmmm... having any kind of money crunch Mr. Kay? "
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http://www.wwasp.com/source03/Feb-04L.pdf
Anonymous:
it wasnt posted by Mr kay but by people who were actually there and have the facts...How deluded are you to think that freedom implies no limits... you sound just like Mr. Vargas before he started the riots at Dundee. He thought that the kids would respect him when he illegally told them they could do ANYTING... that some how in Costa Rica unlawful acts like sodomy, vandalism, and assault with clubs on the staff and other students was some how covered in the signing of some international treaty on Childs rights...He and the police and social workers, the very people charged by the law to protect the students stood by and watched as all the acts named above were performed in the name of freedom...Then they the adults Pani, Vargas and the police got in their cars and drove away as the fiasco worsened and didn?t turn out the way they thought it would for the press...as students were walking down the road to be kidnapped raped abused or whatever in a strange country?? Its so hypocritical to sit and talk about abuse that never happened and not address the real abuse by the Costa Rican officials trying to get their name in the World press at the expense of the safety of the 200 students and the 90 staff members whose lives and reputations have been slandered by people like those on this forum repeating gossip and slander that they really don?t know or understand. But then again the truth rarely sells newspapers as well as the false allegations do...and everyone is an expert with everyone else?s kid and situation...its sort of like the situation NOW and other women?s groups found themselves in when they failed to come out and condemn Clinton while he was abusing the office of the presidency, because he sang their song and had their world view.
Deborah:
***Its so hypocritical to sit and talk about abuse that never happened and not address the real abuse by the Costa Rican officials trying to get their name in the World press at the expense of the safety of the 200 students and the 90 staff members whose lives and reputations have been slandered by people like those on this forum repeating gossip and slander that they really don?t know or understand.***
Were you there anon? Or are you taking the word of a journalist, or the word of program staff, or the word of Kay? It is not hypocritical to discuss and debate issues that are reported in pubic news, whether accurate or not. My ONLY critcism- I did wonder why the CR authorities didn't take the kids to a safe holding space until their parents could arrange for them to be shipped to the states.
...and everyone is an expert with everyone else?s kid and situation...
Oh give us a break. We know you make $1000 for every referal you provide the program. Are you presuming yourself to be an expert when you suggest that a child should be warehoused? You program people are the worst for telling other parents what they should do with their kids.
***its sort of like the situation NOW and other women?s groups found themselves in when they failed to come out and condemn Clinton while he was abusing the office of the presidency, because he sang their song and had their world view***
Abusing the office of presidency? Guess you're refering to Monica? What two consenting adults do is none of your business, or anyone else's for that matter. Perhaps those groups are a little more on the ball with this issue than yourself. Ms Monica was not a "victim". My recollection is that she initiated the affair. I resent that $1 of my tax dollars went to this fiasco. What a waste. I spose you'd have him warehoused in a personal growth facility for "womanizers". So program of you.
Seriously, are you more concerned about the moral issue, him being married? Or that he was diddling on the clock? Was he on the clock 24/7?
Anonymous:
Anon. Those that are condeming you for telling the truth about the events at Dundee, are not wwasps people, for the mostpart. They have been involved in other programs and are forever saying it's the "same" thing. My heart goes out to you because I know you cared for those kids. WWASPS programs respect kids and want them to learn to respect themselves. Too many parents that condemn you on this board that were wwasps parents still wanted to control their child's actions while they were gone. They were looking for any excuse to bring their child home because they felt guilty for not being able to handle it by themselves. A mature parent will know when to let go and get help for themselves and well as their child. Too many of us know that it didn't work at home because our children didn't think they were destroying their lives and didn't buy into therapy or other sources we tried prior to turning to long term treatment. No one here will believe our kids were not abused. You will agree that they were more abusive to themselves and just loved to blame other people for their choices.
Some lady talked about sleep deprivation somewhere on this board. Yes, we were sleep deprived, but it wasn't during seminar, it was when our kids were out running the streets, getting high, and disrespecting the family in ways that were way beyond normal teen stuff.
I won't lower my standards to justify the view it was "normal."
Anonymous:
Deborah - got news for you. A parent that talks to other parents about a wwasps program NEVER tells them what they should do. The parents in crisis really need to figure that out for themselves. When they see the results from the teens that graduated, they want what they have and consider it an investment, not an expense. The parents that talk to the other parents do it from their hearts, not their wallets, as you so nicely assumed. As a parent that was once where they were, I was so grateful to talk with someone who understood the fear and didn't seize the moment by scaring me even more. I did that myself. That parent got ZERO dollars for talking with me, but I would have gladly paid her ten times over for being there for me.
Now my family has what those families had over 4 years ago. I'm on here because it's really unbelievable that this crap is being written about a program that changes so many people for the better.
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