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« on: January 13, 2007, 10:24:35 AM »
can we make this a "sticky topic"?
Its a good start of a record of all the people Cedu destroyed

Also, if you were seriously damagaged physcially, mentally- your brain was damaged to the point where you "lost" opprotunites, normal brain function to the extent where it impacted your life in a serious manner,-long term or permanently.... list what happened to you in this thread.
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2007, 10:52:58 AM »
Being in an environment that used abusive verbal barrage as a tool to promote "emotional growth", that included emotional ambushes, a re-write of my personal history through staff coersion, a prolonged hijack of independent thought, and extensive , destructive exploitation of my feelings, fears, vulnerabilties, and personal truth had one big impact when I got out.  Don't trust anyone or get close to anyone again in any real, meaningful way, because they will exploit you, "misunderstand" you to their benefit, or try and control you in some way. Another was that I looked at every situation polemically.  Thus, sub consciously, I was judging people on the outside by whether they were "in agreement."  I didn't know I was doing it at the time.  But it made it impossible to accept anyone by CEDU's standards, which were contrived and unrealistic.

I also saw my emotions so exploited, that at the end of my stay, I deadened access to them, so I wouldn't have to display them and the possibility of them being violated.   In fact, sensitive person I am, I became numb. Even during CEDU, I found the emotional process so inauthentic that I could not cry.  I really, really tried, because it seemed so important that I cried and screamed my way to salvation...  Prior to that, I used to cry at AT&T commercials.

Last, I had some real issues that needed to be addressed. None of them were ever addressed at CEDU because one, self esteem was destroyed there, and two,  they weren't equipped to deal with emotional growth on any level at all.  Three, they weren't even dealing with what was real.  They wrote a script for me, badgered me until I adopted it, but most of their perspective of my history was completely false.  Even the truth, like, that I had slept with one boyfriend and was raped was reconstituted in such a way that I was treated like a slut by the staff.   I'd never even been promiscuous. In fact, when I got out of there, my whole sexual perspective was seriously skewed.

Basically, I left CEDU with soem of the same issues, plus more...

The fact that they lied to and manipulated my parents, lied to and manipulated me, had my parents lie to me for the first time, and crossed major ethical therapeutic boundaries contributed a deep mistrust of authority, that extended to the therapeutic community at times when I needed to reach out for help.  

My trust and respect for my parents was further disrupted when I saw how deftly they were manipulated, choosing to believe CEDU over me, when my problem had never been lying...In fact, I could have learned to hone that skill better to facilitate easier transactions at CEDU.  The kids who did best there knew it was a con, and knew how to play the game.

Finally, living in an isolated environment, where you see the truth terrifically distorted, watch staff members lie, manipulate, and distort reality, see students adopt an attitude toward echother similar to Hitler youth in the sense of being conditioned to rat  bully, spy on, and abuse their peers, affected me in ways I can't even articulate.  Not to mention, that speaking your personal truth was stamped out to oblivion to the extent you didn't even know yourself anymore.

It's been a long, long time since I've posted and I feel I've, for the most part, assimilated and made peace with it, on some level, but given the opportunity, wanted to "testify" about the realiy of this experience.
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2007, 12:04:13 PM »
thank you for responding
 Torturing youth should have consequences. Certainly, torturing or abusing youth to the point of loss of functionality and suicide and death should have consequences. These people have lost their jobs. (until they open a new school) but that is not enough.

These men and women need to be in jail.
Getting an itemization of the pain, sucides, and destroyed lives will be helpful to authorities who are interested in persuing CRIMINAL charges. (theyre do exist) and survivors who wish to persue civil charges agaisnt individuals. So please continue to post. If you can leave an email to reach you at in the future that would be great.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2007, 02:21:03 PM »
I don't want to post that my life is in the toilet. I don't know if its Cascade and cedu fault. I am alive but I am depressed a lot  becasue of those years and family problems. my problems with my mom are worse because she thinks tough love is good. it's good to be unhappy and feel guilty and bad inlife.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2007, 06:54:39 PM »
Although I'm not sure I can blame all of my problems on CEDU, I'm pretty sure it would be safe to say that my life is also in the toilet, so to speak.
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2007, 09:43:33 AM »
of all the people I've known in life, life before and after the bubble that is, none that I knew personally took their own life.

of the people I met in those 26 months spent in north idaho, I've known 3. my life isn't in the shitter, but my mind sure feels like it should be.

I just wish I could forget that place.
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2007, 12:00:51 PM »
depression at CEDU was a non- issue. You were not depressed, you were either "not in the right place", or in a funk, or choosing to feel whatever you felt. Those three feelings were the quintiessntial "stages" of the program.

I remember some suicide attempts and those people dieappeared damn quickly and never came back. The few instances of carving and cutting that went on (that was discovered) went with immediate full- times or expulsion if the attempt seemed serious.
Like I mentioned there were a few instances where you heard about an attempt or an incident and it was misinformation or "forget about it now" type of reaction.

I think it's true that people, some, could theoretically name this kind of BM as an ingredient of suicide. I mean HELL YES. Anyone who disagrees with that would not be being honest with themselves about how intense the program was and how we perceived it. It's a red herring to say it is THE reason. It's an unfair silly question. The real question is what factor(s) existed at the "program" that made it so (everyone agrees) UNBEARABLE at times to LIVE afterwards.

I think there are many important factors, many of which do have to do with identity and loss of confidence. Confidence was broken with the skool,biological or adoptive parents, uncle sam, and all the true mindfuckery that went on when I was there mixed me up for a LONG time.

They didn't deal with depression: they dealt blame and shame.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2007, 01:30:32 PM »
Let's face it CEDU was NEVER equipped to handle individuals with REAL problems.  We used to refer to the counselors as "camp counselors.  By and large they were poorly educated and not over their own problems, which is why they were attracted to the job.  ( It sure as hell wasn't the $$$$)  Those individuals who have an education and a prior work experience in a true "counseling" field stayed but a brief while and recognized how coersive and dangerous the program was to young people.  If you came them with real issues, abandonment, attachment disorder (many students were adopted), fetal alcohol syndrome, tourettes, true (and not parent induced) bipolarity or any of the environmentally induced personality disorders...you pretty much left with the same plus even lower self esteem!
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2007, 02:30:43 PM »
I did 2nd post.  (Didn't have new name) This is exactly my issue with CEDU... the inability to address real problems and the resulting aftermath.  

This is why it really disgusts me when trained therapists defend this place... for example, Mad.

He is a trained therapist/ former attendee who seems to defend CEDU...  I can't see how... it defies any acceptable ethical/ therapeutic practice, so he should know better.

I'm not some asshole whining about work detail, structure, or discipline... But there is NO WAY you can tell me that the coersive, isolating, and verbally abusive tactics used to promote "growth" by unlicensed, either inept or egocentric--or worse, both--staff members is acceptable.  It's not like they just fucked up in isolated incidents.  Every rap was abusive and coersive; people were badgered to lie or exaggerate their own history on a systemic basis; staff members worked out their own psychoses on us.  How could a teen aged girl feel safe when her "role model" staff was copping out to sexual misconduct--including playing with "feces", animals, and rape?  No, it's not okay these these events supposedly occurred in the past when I had to be supervised by these people in an isolated environment--the same people who monitored every movement and lied to my parents?  THESE WERE NOT ISOLATED INCIDENTS--THEY WERE SYSTEMIC!

Then, of course, you have the people who claim CEDU gave them "tools" and saved them even though they continue to suffer whatever the suffered pre-CEDU, post-CEDU and during CEDU.NOT ONE person has ever been able to define what those tools were specifically--NOT ONE!  I mean I could say what tools I picked up in all my job related training or education, therapy, even marriage,  it shoudl't be that difficult for someone to come up with "tools" they gleaned from an "emotional growth facility" after a two year residency.  Tools, of course, that don't have to do with bullying peers, verbally abusing peers, etc.   Oh! I know... I did learn to chop wood and dig trenches for pipe systems.... and pitch tents... and that is all fine and good, but the purpose of the facility was "emotional growth." What tools did I glean in that realm? Zip.

Last, let's stop calling CEDU a school.  It wasn't. That part, in my tenure, was a complete sham.  It was a registered group home.
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2007, 09:39:09 AM »
was in peer group 92, and I just heard that a boy named Brian in the peer group below me killed himself. so sad!

I can't match a face to this person. Does anyone know his last name? It could have happened a while ago, but I just heard now.

Rest in peace Brian!
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2007, 12:55:00 PM »
I really hope it wasn't brian r0dman (I use a 0 to avoid the grasp of google). 92 sounds about right for his peer group.

I was the one who posted about knowing 3 people who have killed themselves since CEDU. sadly, I must now increase that number to 4. hopefully this is not the same Brian and I don't need to make it 5, though it is a tragedy whether I knew him or not.

fuck you very much CEDU.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2007, 05:54:38 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2007, 09:12:34 AM »
Quote from: ""blownawaytheidahoway""
depression at CEDU was a non- issue. You were not depressed, you were either "not in the right place", or in a funk, or choosing to feel whatever you felt. Those three feelings were the quintiessntial "stages" of the program.

I remember some suicide attempts and those people dieappeared damn quickly and never came back. The few instances of carving and cutting that went on (that was discovered) went with immediate full- times or expulsion if the attempt seemed serious.
Like I mentioned there were a few instances where you heard about an attempt or an incident and it was misinformation or "forget about it now" type of reaction.

I think it's true that people, some, could theoretically name this kind of BM as an ingredient of suicide. I mean HELL YES. Anyone who disagrees with that would not be being honest with themselves about how intense the program was and how we perceived it. It's a red herring to say it is THE reason. It's an unfair silly question. The real question is what factor(s) existed at the "program" that made it so (everyone agrees) UNBEARABLE at times to LIVE afterwards.

I think there are many important factors, many of which do have to do with identity and loss of confidence. Confidence was broken with the skool,biological or adoptive parents, uncle sam, and all the true mindfuckery that went on when I was there mixed me up for a LONG time.

They didn't deal with depression: they dealt blame and shame.


R.K. got in front of the House after an incident. I don't exactly know what happened because I was concerned with my own problems there and just asking questions could get me blown away. He raised his voice, and as we had all seen a hundred times, tears began to automatically spring from his eyes. One of the kids had tried to kill himself in another dorm and R.K. raised his hands and his eyes to match his voice:
     "WE DO NOOOOOOT HAVE CRAZY PEOPLE HERE"
He shook with intensity. I've not soon forgotten it.
Does anyone else remember this incident or ones like it? Also how people with real issues or had been in hospitals for suicide attempts or 'accidental' overdoses were goaded and barraged about how much they just seeked attention. They did a good job of actually getting rid of the "unprogrammable" the first few months. A person who would snap under pressure would be gone after acting out under an assortment of possibilities. Suicide attempts, splitting, carving or piercing ones self, taking or seeking out drugs of any kind, and fighting were all in one category: "They weren't ready to be here yet, we don't allow 'crazy behavior'.

If CEDU couldn't help a boy or girl, in my time, it was because they were helpless and further, they were castigated for being unable to fall into the CEDU program expectation. Ironically, all CEDU people, staff and graduates alike  would eventually have to feel like that before being offered the possibility of returning as a staff! Again: cult 101.

I feel again I must add, this shit just wouldn't matter to me if they hadn't assisted in further screwing up my relationship with my family and lied to me about my rights as a fourteen year old CHILD.
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     \'That I will not have, \' I said, \'nor can understand at all. What you\'ve been doing is to make me feel very very ill.\'
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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2007, 02:41:03 AM »
Check this out:

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21155

I think if we all ever do make a habit of getting together, there are a whole bitch of a lot of us. I got 50 acres in the hills. I want to make it a drop in and bbq squat. Needs good infrastructure for base camping; showers, fire pits, massive fucking kitchen, etc.
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2007, 05:05:43 AM »
Quote from: ""blownawaytheidahoway""
Quote from: ""blownawaytheidahoway""
depression at CEDU was a non- issue. You were not depressed, you were either "not in the right place", or in a funk, or choosing to feel whatever you felt. Those three feelings were the quintiessntial "stages" of the program.

I remember some suicide attempts and those people dieappeared damn quickly and never came back. The few instances of carving and cutting that went on (that was discovered) went with immediate full- times or expulsion if the attempt seemed serious.
Like I mentioned there were a few instances where you heard about an attempt or an incident and it was misinformation or "forget about it now" type of reaction.

I think it's true that people, some, could theoretically name this kind of BM as an ingredient of suicide. I mean HELL YES. Anyone who disagrees with that would not be being honest with themselves about how intense the program was and how we perceived it. It's a red herring to say it is THE reason. It's an unfair silly question. The real question is what factor(s) existed at the "program" that made it so (everyone agrees) UNBEARABLE at times to LIVE afterwards.

I think there are many important factors, many of which do have to do with identity and loss of confidence. Confidence was broken with the skool,biological or adoptive parents, uncle sam, and all the true mindfuckery that went on when I was there mixed me up for a LONG time.

They didn't deal with depression: they dealt blame and shame.

R.K. got in front of the House after an incident. I don't exactly know what happened because I was concerned with my own problems there and just asking questions could get me blown away. He raised his voice, and as we had all seen a hundred times, tears began to automatically spring from his eyes. One of the kids had tried to kill himself in another dorm and R.K. raised his hands and his eyes to match his voice:
     "WE DO NOOOOOOT HAVE CRAZY PEOPLE HERE"
He shook with intensity. I've not soon forgotten it.
Does anyone else remember this incident or ones like it? Also how people with real issues or had been in hospitals for suicide attempts or 'accidental' overdoses were goaded and barraged about how much they just seeked attention. They did a good job of actually getting rid of the "unprogrammable" the first few months. A person who would snap under pressure would be gone after acting out under an assortment of possibilities. Suicide attempts, splitting, carving or piercing ones self, taking or seeking out drugs of any kind, and fighting were all in one category: "They weren't ready to be here yet, we don't allow 'crazy behavior'.

If CEDU couldn't help a boy or girl, in my time, it was because they were helpless and further, they were castigated for being unable to fall into the CEDU program expectation. Ironically, all CEDU people, staff and graduates alike  would eventually have to feel like that before being offered the possibility of returning as a staff! Again: cult 101.

I feel again I must add, this shit just wouldn't matter to me if they hadn't assisted in further screwing up my relationship with my family and lied to me about my rights as a fourteen year old CHILD.

Yes, I remember it clearly, and I also recall being very pissed off about it, which was rare for me to have an issue with a staff, since I was so brainwashed. I remember talking about it to some people in the dorms and they said "You should take Rea to a rap." but I didn't, cause I'm a pussy like that.

Fucking Rea, he was such a moron. He wasn't even scary, he was that much of an idiot. I don't know what Sharon saw in him. (Now Sharon was brutal.) No secret who's on top when they fuck, I'll tell you that.

Hey, I thought I reminded you of this, dude. Oh well, we both remembered it.

Yeah, don't know what happened to that kid. I remember thinking he was cute.

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I think if we all ever do make a habit of getting together, there are a whole bitch of a lot of us. I got 50 acres in the hills. I want to make it a drop in and bbq squat. Needs good infrastructure for base camping; showers, fire pits, massive fucking kitchen, etc.


I'm only coming if there is massive debauchery. And if anyone starts speaking lingo I am going to bean them with a mallard. (Although it  would be kind of funny if you called the place a "compound".)

BBQ sounds tasty.


If you build it, we will come. I'll bring the whip-its and balloons.
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