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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2007, 04:12:10 PM »
heh if the kid wont go to the room, make the room come to the kid
 
you may not be able to escort the kid to a predetermined room but you can sure as hell make the current room he/she is in safe in where he can calm down.
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2007, 08:42:29 PM »
Please don't restrain me, I give up!  :flame:
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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2007, 10:59:57 PM »
You cant just stick them in a room. What if the kid starts banging their head against the wall like the dude in the pic tsw has in his signature? It happens when you put animals in cages too... some of them just dont take well to incarceration. Freedom is the only elixir in this case.

So yeah if a kid keeps hitting his head against the wall like an autistic kid or retarded kid or pissed off kid that happens a lot, then what do they do.  :question:  :-?
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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2007, 11:01:27 PM »
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So yeah if a kid keeps hitting his head against the wall like an autistic kid or retarded kid or pissed off kid that happens a lot, then what do they do.  :question:  :-?

You put an IRON MASK on them!!!
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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2007, 11:03:33 PM »
lol just caught that movie on TMC.. fucked up shit!
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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2007, 11:04:40 PM »
I didn't know it was on!  :exclaim:
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« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2007, 11:19:15 PM »
Jesus Christ. Anyone can restrain a kid without cutting off their supply of oxygen. How bout instead of 4 guys laying on the kid, they each take a limb and coach him on breathing through his nose and out his mouth until he calms down. Isn't that what you'd do for a friend who was about to loose it on someone? Then get someone with some damn sense in to talk to the kid and find out what the source of the anger is. If it's shown that staff is baiting the kid, provoking him to anger to justify their little sadistic power trip, then fire his ass on the spot?
Given the number of kids who have died from this 'treatment intervention', it should be outlawed completely. If it were a vitamin or herb the FDA would've pulled in off the market already. Not like there aren't alternatives.... like DE-escalation. Oh lord, that's just too time consuming and respectful of the kid. Sickening
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« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2007, 11:30:20 PM »
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Jesus Christ. Anyone can restrain a kid without cutting off their supply of oxygen. How bout instead of 4 guys laying on the kid, they each take a limb and coach him on breathing through his nose and out his mouth until he calms down. Isn't that what you'd do for a friend who was about to loose it on someone? Then get someone with some damn sense in to talk to the kid and find out what the source of the anger is.

Perhaps you'd be willing to help demonstrate the proper restraint methods, Deborah? I'll send the Straightmobile? over to pick you up asap! They will escort you here and we'll have the SIBS staff follow your instructions as we bind you hand and foot, etc. Does that sound good to you??
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« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2007, 11:45:33 PM »
First, restraints can be done without killing a kid. You apparently conducted hundreds yourself and didn't kill anyone, unless you're holdin out on us.

Second, I advocated outlawing them...and always have. One kid killed by 'rebirthing' and it's outlawed and the 'therapists' jailed. Hundreds killed by restraint, and it's still an acceptable form of 'treatment'. WHY?

Third, Much to many's disappointment, the industry isn't going to be shutdown tomorrow, so the suggestion was what else could be done beside the fucking dogpile approach in the meantime. I think what I suggested was a better option to the current reality.

Fourth, I understand the purpose of this thread, and I have no intention of turning into a how to restrain safely thread.

I'm in a pretty cynical mood tonight. Maybe if/when that Federal Regulation comes through, they'll require a pamphlet of the suggestions on this thread to be passed out to every kid entering a TBS/RTC/EGS/Wilderness, or Ranch, or Home Based, or Religious Fanatic program. Why not chop the root out, instead of prunning? Get a national campaign going to ban restraint in institutions. What do ya think regulators would respond to that? Sorry, consider the question rhetorical.... I don't want to derail the thread.
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« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2007, 11:48:29 PM »
Well the police use those tasers now instead of personal combat to take down subjects. How long until we see these in psych hospitals and/or teen programs? They already use chemical restraint in the form of mace and pharmaceuticals.
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« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2007, 11:56:14 PM »
Two different times at different psych hospitals I was at, they had autistic kids who were 100%, completely out of touch with reality. At the first facility the kid was like 16, pretty big and would attack the nurses all the time. This one lady got really bad scratches on her face, I felt bad for her! But it happene dall the time and we'd hear these crazy struggles. Screaming, scuffling, shit being knocked over, and eventually they'd get him on the ground and a shot of thorazine in him. Then he'd go to the isolation room in the psych hospital and we wouldnt see him for a couple days. Then he'd be out, and it would happen again. I mean I don't know wtf you do with a kid like that, but it seemed like a weird place for him to end up. I can't imagine what he thought was going on from his perspective...

At the second place they seemed even less prepared. The kid was also autistic or retarded or something, just out of touch with reality completely. Their isolation room was under construction when this kid got brought in, and so he was always trying to break it down. All day long we'd hear these bangs and there'd be splinters int he hallway, and he'd hurt himself on the splinters since the room had open wood beams because of the remodeling. So eventually they had to tie him down to a chair. They didnt even have  a real bed or straps or anything. So they just tied him down to this chair, sitting upright. And he would just sit there screaming and we would try not to look in the small window when walking by just out of pure horror. Again, I am not expert on retards or autistics, but it seemed like a waste of life to me, and its just got to make shit worse in their own heads.

I always felt like I was treated "fair" enough at psych hospitals, at least relative to private program I was at, but some kids really got the short end of the stick. They have nowhere else to go and end up caged like an animal being watched over by people who fear them. Theres got to be something better.
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« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2007, 11:58:58 PM »
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One kid killed by 'rebirthing' and it's outlawed and the 'therapists' jailed.


Because there, the fetishism was obvious.
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« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2007, 11:59:19 PM »
It was reported that some of the escorts use them. Not sure they'll fly in the "parent choice prison industry", too much negative media regarding deaths.
Now there is a program in NY that is using shock (aversive) treatment. Something was posted on that a couple of days ago.
Do we have any long term studies on this lovely? Will the kid have to wear the shock collar for the rest of his life? Who will push the shock button? Is it effective long-term?
Didn't work on my friend's dog. Never breaks the rules when they're home. But I've caught him several times eating food off the counter when he thought everyone was gone. Boy was he shocked to see me!!! Ran and hid under the bed.
That's precisely what BM teaches, how to be even sneakier. Animals/People will have what they want. It's the survival mechanism.
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« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2007, 12:09:17 AM »
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Now there is a program in NY that is using shock (aversive) treatment.


They've been open for two decades. The real move to eliminate them has been started only recently. I'm curious just who's behind the recent government attacks on the place... ("Sadman"? You reading this?)
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« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2007, 12:11:23 AM »
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Now there is a program in NY that is using shock (aversive) treatment.

They've been open for two decades. The real move to eliminate them has been started only recently. I'm curious just who's behind the recent government attacks on the place... ("Sadman"? You reading this?)


Parents started to complain about it when they found out about it. A parent reported it to the press. It became news. Politicians respond to publicity.
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