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[Antigen]

Ok, Gook. My apologies then for calling you a LCSW. I beg your forgiveness and pray for mercy.

 :nworthy:

I think it's this kind of political stale mate argument that turns off program graduates from ever becoming involved in advocacy.
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I feel bad for the kids who participated in that TB documentary, now they have to deal with those advocates.. fucking shame. Worked over once, and then again in a whole new way.
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 Child abuse is wrong no matter where it occurs but don't be so naive to think it's only occuring in the private troubled teen industry. It effects all kids in all parts of society in a lot more families than people would like to think it does.

True dat! 20 odd years ago, I knew I was scrambled in the head; in no shape to go toe to toe w/ these mindfuckers; no inkling of any desire to ever see any of their faces again (cept maybe some of the more impressive boys... one day, after I lost the weight, fluorescent tan and prolee shuffle) I'm glad I made that call. I would have been dog food by the end of it if I had tried to engage back then.

Child abuse is wrong no matter where it occurs. But, due to the sheer religious fanaticism and political and economic sway of many of the principle drivers in this industry, this is a special case. These sadistic lunatics are making laws and other public policy. People take their advice and hand them great big sacks of what used to be our money to impliment their ideas because they believe they're the experts, they know what they're doing. Well now the first generation of Synanon kids are entering [eghgheghm] middle age. And there are a damned lot of us, it turns out. That wasn't the case when we were first tossed out in the early, rudamentary 'exit plan' days (no cash, no ticket, just change the locks, that's it). No one fucking believed us, even if they tried to understand. So we quit talking about it. Now, how do you network with people based on shared interest if nobody ever talks about that interest?

I'm interested to see if, how much and by what means my fellow former drug war POWs are willing to respond to this travesty once we have a fairly good idea of the scope of it and some idea who's on our side.

[Anonymous]

What qualifies a LSCW to be a therapist anyway?

[Anonymous]

Anti-wwasp website.
Click on Kev August's referral site, teenhelp.us, and one of the ads on his resource link is TEEN HELP WWASP recruiter, Kathie Deloria.

Explain how this worth the ad money?

[Anonymous]

Would it make you feel better if I just sold it to WWASP or Teen Help LLC and let them do whatever they want with it? Your incessant whining is disgusting, everytime I get in here I want to vomit thinking about how you have nothing better to do than point out what I have on my site(s). The term "activist" should be reserved for people who actually "do something" with their time. Instead of running around policing what you perceive to be my direct affiliation with people I don't even know. Jesus, please help these people. No wonder you post anonymously, you're completely gutless.

For example, instead of giving me useless information such as telling me about someone I don't even know named Kathie Deloria. You could have simply pointed out where the website is located, at this point I could then evaluate her website and take it down. You instead, find the need to feel good about yourself (at least this is the only logical explanation I can draw) by thinking you're a detective and basically slandering my name in these forums. The Sherlock Holmes act is getting old. Please get a life. For the sake of your own mental health and well being.

[Anonymous]

If coming here and reading "makes you want to vomit" Mr. August, then, don't come and read.
Throwing around the word, "slander" huh? You are a lot like your competitor, Sue. Scheff.
It's your website that's selling ADS to the WWASP recruiter,
No one has to be a "detective" to go "CLICK."

[Anonymous]

Do you really think I come here to listen to people like you? I come here because it's the largest information repository about WWASP on the internet. I try to avoid bottom-feeding animals like yourself that come here to try to persuade people that their opinion is wrong. I am entitled to my opinions, I live in America, you have no right to tell me how to live my life (morally speaking).

A more pro-active solution to this problem would be to have yourself stop posting information about others that is strictly for the purpose of discrediting them. You obviously must feel I pose some kind of threat because you are attacking my credibility. You're probably  Sue Scheff yourself, and you're probably scared cause theres someone out here actually referring to licensed and accredited facilities, which would be bad for your super scam of a business.

You are a detective because your intention is to "seek out" these ads. You obviously aren't a parent seeking treatment options so what the hell are you doing on the website if your not playing a detective?

I didn't even know that people like you existed before coming to fornits. You must have an exciting life, badmouting people through the comfort of secrecy. What a way to live out your days...

[Anonymous]

Who attacked your credibility, Mr. August?
You have the right to refer desperate parents to programs,
Would rather live out a life in the comfort of secrecy than in some program referred by you or your competitors, TEEN HELP, or PURE.

[CCM girl 1989]

If coming here and reading "makes you want to vomit" Mr. August, then, don't come and read.
Throwing around the word, "slander" huh? You are a lot like your competitor, Sue. Scheff.
It's your website that's selling ADS to the WWASP recruiter,
No one has to be a "detective" to go "CLICK."

Fornits (this website) gives you up to date info on WWASPS Kev, but be careful not to step in shit (take it from me it's easy!). This is a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of place. Who gives a shit what these people think! If you believe in what you do, that's all that matters. Screw 'em!

[hanzomon4]

Anti, what is your goal with this site and why do you feel that it's necessary to push "safer programs" as an alternative? I don't doubt your intentions outright but I must say that anyone claiming to support "safer programs" in opposition to wwasps programs is nothing new, nor comforting. Some of the conditions you list in your parent questionnaire will not be helped by a program, depression is one such condition I have personal reservations about. If you could provide a list of the schools in your "database" I would appreciate it.

You have non-placement tips for parents but you don't have anything defining the purpose of placement. As I understand it residential placement should only be used during a time of immediate crisis, and only for a short time(2 weeks in most cases). It bothers me that you don't have anything describing in detail what criteria a program must meet to be included in your database, in fact the only criteria appears to be non-wwasps schools only.

To summarize here's my questions:

• What is the goal of your site?
• Why do you offer any program as an alternative to more traditional and proven therapies?
• What schools do you include in your database?
• Why don't you define the purpose of placement?
• Why don't you define the conditions that can't/won't be helped with a long term placement?  
• What criteria, in detail, must a program meet to be included in your database?

I feel that under current law any longterm placement is highly risky and should not be thought of as an option. Your views may differ and your intentions may be genuine but you're playing some serious fire.....

[Antigen]

Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
 :roll:

[Anonymous]

Don't most Referral Companies hire little "worker bees" to help with the recruitment of desperate parents for these programs?

It's reported that Sue Scheff has herself surrounded with such "worker bees."

Perhaps Kev over at Anti-WWASP will need co-recruiters, too.
CCM sounds like she'd fit right in with his referral game!
Sure, CCM, sell those kids into a program.  Screw'em!

[Joyce Harris]

In response to Kev's statement about him being "...someone out here actually referring to licensed and accredited facilities..."

It must be understood that simply being licensed and accredited, does not make a facility/program SAFE.

Whitmore Academy was licensed by the State of Utah, and it was accredited by the Utah Board of Education.  And, that did not make Whitmore Academy a SAFE facility for the children enrolled.  The owner Cheryl Sudweeks was charged with 7 counts of abuse against 4 different children.  Her criminal trial ended in a Plea Bargain.

We were referred to Whitmore Academy by Sue Scheff at PURE; Scheff assured us that Whitmore Academy was nothing like WWASP.   Scheff assured that the owners, the Sudweeks, were loving, Christian people, who would take good care of all their students.  Scheff even stated that she would send her own daughter to Whitmore, if she needed to go to a "school.".

Licensing and accreditation does not assure safety for children.
Licensing and accreditation does not even guarantee that "students" will actually have the opportunity to attend classes, or have certified teachers.  
Licensing and accreditation does not gurantee anything!

[Anonymous]

CCM, I appreciate your support. I'm sorry you're receiving criticism for defending me.

And to Joyce and Hanzoman, I suppose in here, I should have been much more specific. I have not completed this website, but I will clearly outline my intentions and my objectives when I have the time. I plan on clearly drawing out a suitable set of guidelines for admittance to this "network" as I'm calling it. The plan is to control as much as I have the power to do. I'd love to hear everyones views on what could make the service more appropriate, and safer. The objective is to keep good schools (if they exist) in front of parents eyes.

No one seems to want to consider that if I don't find the type of schools that fit my criteria, I will simply give up on this because my heart is in the right place. I'm not going to falter with my ultimate goal simply because such and such school is going to pay me for it. It's about making a difference, not a financial opportunity. I choose the schools, they don't choose me.

I can scream at these parents all day long till I'm blue in the face that WWASP isn't good for their children, are they taking my word for it? I don't know because I don't see where they go after that. My proactive approach of trying to provide parents with options besides Aspen and WWASP schools when given such an opportunity, that's all I can think of doing. I don't know if anyone has done any searching lately but I'd guess that these two corporations own at least 60 percent of the first 100 search terms for "teen help" in almost every major search engine. I don't even want to get into how hard it has been to simply find schools not affiliated with these corporations. I am also using all of your experience from what has been posted here, to guide me in my search for these "better schools".

As Joyce pointed out, just because I've only said so much, it doesn't mean I don't have more in mind for the service. I'd say the major difference between what I'm offering and current "referral groups" is the chance to appropriately remove schools should any become involved in lawsuits, be accused of abuse, found not to be worthy of treating the students properly, under nourishment, being not properly accredited or licensed, not doing background checks... please don't consider this complete as I'd be nieve to consider this short list acceptable. I'm not concerned about earning money from this. I'm concerned that kids are going to WWASP and Aspen schools no matter how loud you're yelling here at fornits and elsewhere. I'm sorry I can't provide a complete list at this time of everything I intend to filter or regulate through this. It would be irresponsible of me to think that I can obtain perfection here. I don't think any of us think that's possible. What I am trying to do is my best to point parents in a direction other than the ones being offered. I then intend on tracking each families' progress as well as trying to perform surveys of some kind to determine things like: their childs progress, their idea of the facility before and after placement to make sure "what you see is what you get", their childs opinion of the treatment received and of the professionalism of their staff and teachers. I hope that this at least quells some of the interest many of you have in my project. I will do my best to make the guidelines and regulation requirements publicly viewable on the website but I will not be posting that information to this thread. I'm sure someone will do so regardless as that's generally the way things go around here.

This is my last post here at fornits, I've grown tired of the personal attacks from anonymous people, ad hominem (learned this from cassandra, though I may be guilty of this as well cause I don't understand it completely), and generally just being poked and prodded into defense mode all the time. I kept thinking it would somehow stop, but it seems I've spent so much time in these massive debates about my character, my intentions, my this my that. Go whine to someone else. I'm just tired of it all. I'm going to focus on what I originally intended to do, (thanks for the inspiring words CCMgirl) I'm not hiding from anyone, if you need to ask me something I'd be happy to discuss it more with you through email. I'm deleting my account so if you need to reach me please do so through antiwwasp.com.

Keep up the good work around here, you're all doing a great job.

[CCM girl 1989]

Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
 :roll:

You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.

Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?

[CCM girl 1989]

Don't most Referral Companies hire little "worker bees" to help with the recruitment of desperate parents for these programs?

It's reported that Sue Scheff has herself surrounded with such "worker bees."

Perhaps Kev over at Anti-WWASP will need co-recruiters, too.
CCM sounds like she'd fit right in with his referral game!
Sure, CCM, sell those kids into a program.  Screw'em!

No, I think it's much better to sell these kids  to the streets. That way pimps can make money off them. Also, it might be possible to have them sell some drugs on the side to maybe support their drug habit if they don't want to hook?

Blah, blah, blah. If you don't think this happens to kids who aren't given the luxury of attending some schools you are the ones who need a reality check. Seriously folks, I don't know what you're smoking?!!!! When kids have knowhere to turn, no parents, no family members, because lets face it folks we live in a very selfish world, where do you think they end up?

Why don't you ask some kids, and even adults that live on the street.....hey, if you had this to do all over again and you were given the opportunity to attend a school that would've given you therapy, edjucation, a roof over your head, and food in your stomach, but you had to live by the rules and it was a structured enviroment....what would you have chosen to do?

I think it's crystal clear, get rid of the schools out there that have been proven to be abusive, and let the ones that actually help exist.