TB Mom's Thread: Split from Experiences

[Anonymous]

Oh okay they must have changed it or something then I guess.

Did you do discovery and focus and anything past that? How was your own experience at the seminars? What did you think of them?

[Anonymous]

Yes at Midwest he went to Orientation asap cause it was the week after.   He choose out as they say.   He said because he didnt cry enough.   Then he went to the next one.   I was told by his rep at TB that they are more stricter.  They have to go to accountability first, then if they have points and have proven themselves they can go to discovery.  The next one for him was a few weeks ago and he didnt go to it.

Orientation is  when a couple upper levels walked the kid around the facility and showed you the ropes, and you spent a couple days attached to another kid to tell you whats up. "Orientation" is not a seminar, so I don't know how you could choose out of that.

Discovery is the first seminar the kids go to, regardless of points. If they were withholding the seminars from your kid, then what on EARTH were you paying for? That is the 'therapuetic' aspect of the program. If he was in the program for eight months there should have been at least three or even four chances to go through the seminars. Accountability is the third seminar. Why don't you tell us what the second seminar is called, ask your son if you don't know.

That was the old system: Discovery, Focus, Accountability. It was changed way back in 2003, and it is now as JNZmom describes it: a kid goes thru "Orientation", a seminar designed to soften him/her up for Discovery, almost as soon as s/he arrives at a WWASPS facility. Accountability was cancelled-- I think it was replaced by a seminar called "Principles" (same bullshit, different name).

[Anonymous]

Funny, I've never heard, not from one person ever, that you need points to go to the seminars. Kids told me that they would go to discovery the day after they arrived, if that is when the seminar came. Weird, huh?

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Question for you?  Is that from what you have been told or experienced?   I am going with what my son experienced and told me.

Both, from what I experience and what I read from other kids. Granted time has passed and things like seminars might not be the same, this all seems kind of weird to me. A 13 year old being sent to TB, and him being on level 1 the whole time, never going to seminars. This sounds like a horrible situation for that kid, he must have been treated pretty bad I imagine. To remain on level 1 for that kind of time, you have to actively resist, and fight it at every step pretty much. For a 13 year old that's surprising, but I can see that happening I guess. For him to be transfered to TB, shocks me, and that's why I am suspicious of trolling. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Was he in isolation the whole time? They might have called it something else like special care or something like that. Pardon me if i am out of line, but doesn't this all bother you more? It seems like you are so logical and everything about this. I guess that is why it strikes me as weird.

[jnzmom]

I only went to Discovery.  Which I did get alot out of my own issues,  I came to terms with somethings that I probably wouldnt have if I didnt go.   To be honest... I was planning on going to Focus, which I never did.   I was told it was hard.   But... my son said "Did you get the High to keep me there?"  He said that he learned "that a high does not need to come from drugs but.. an emotional high.   Makes sense.  Since he learned this and never has done drugs.

[Anonymous]

You didn't miss much with focus, same emotional group games, more beating the ground with towels wrapped with duct tape. Yeah the emotional high is nice, but it's 100% faked. It's a lot different when the people holding you up in your discovery love circle are you jailers. Some kids from the old days still go back to staff for that high, god bless 'em.  :roll:

[jnzmom]

Both, from what I experience and what I read from other kids. Granted time has passed and things like seminars might not be the same, this all seems kind of weird to me. A 13 year old being sent to TB, and him being on level 1 the whole time, never going to seminars. This sounds like a horrible situation for that kid, he must have been treated pretty bad I imagine. To remain on level 1 for that kind of time, you have to actively resist, and fight it at every step pretty much. For a 13 year old that's surprising, but I can see that happening I guess. For him to be transfered to TB, shocks me, and that's why I am suspicious of trolling. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Was he in isolation the whole time? They might have called it something else like special care or something like that. Pardon me if i am out of line, but doesn't this all bother you more? It seems like you are so logical and everything about this. I guess that is why it strikes me as weird.

What I was told why he was transferred to TB, is not what my son told me that happened.   He said cause he was annoying and they didnt want to deal with him anymore.  He was in and out of intervention all the time. They told me that he was total resistant and it was two choices within 24hrs. That was after 3 mths.   They said home or TB.   So we had an emergency meeting of our whole extended family.  We "thought" he was testing the waters and had to prove to him we were serious.  So we sent him to TB.  I have had anxieties ever since he went there.  I was caution and open to all possibilities.  At Tb is was in and out of OP.   He wasnt there more then a day or so and got himself out, not that makes a difference.   I finally saw the red flag and pulled him.   When I finally saw him and spoke with him in 8 mths, I listened to him and could see he was telling the truth.

[Anonymous]

What kind of stuff did he write in his letters? Did he talk about abuse at all? Did you seem like his personality was changing? Now that you look back on the letters, do you see things you wish you would have noticed that you did not see before realizing TB is a gulag?

[Anonymous]

Nothing about this mom's emotional detachment post-pull rings true to me except the part about the Mom admitting she has "issues".  That much I do believe is true with about 99.9% of the parents who turn to these programs as the solution for conflict in the home.  It's also possible this "mom" is a poser.  Wouldn't be the first or the last time.  Has anyone actually confirmed her to be the real deal?  I don't mean yahooing or pm'ing either.  I mean seen a copy of her kid's contract with her signature on it?   :lol:

[jnzmom]

No, not really.   His early letters were just him, promising to change, ect.  Which he has for many years.   Then the last few letters drew red flags that I acted on.  He kept on telling me.... I have so much that I cant say, cause i will get in trouble.   The letters got more to where he was not asking to come home, but I have to tell you something.  He was ready to commit to the program and stay for 5 yrs but that he really needed to tell me the truth.  That was not manipulation.

[jnzmom]

Has anyone actually confirmed her to be the real deal?  I don't mean yahooing or pm'ing either.  I mean seen a copy of her kid's contract with her signature on it? :lol:

A quote from someone that is a "Guest"  who will not post with a username.    

Do I need to defend further to this?

[Anonymous]

[You dont need to do anything, freedom is wonderful in that way.

[jnzmom]

Thank you!  Let Freedom Ring!

[Anonymous]

I am curious who was your Discovery facilitator? This can actually make a big difference whether it is a positive or negative experience.

[jnzmom]

No really!   I actually had a positive experience.  I know some didnt and left the first day.

[Anonymous]

Who was the facilitator?