TB Mom's Thread: Split from Experiences

[Anonymous]

TSW your name is still bold, you cant see colors when not signed in so yes it appears you have "powers" still to us guests.

[Anonymous]

I was addressing your "any idiot can see" comment or whatever it is you said back there. Not there you care, I can't knock you off your high horse and I am not going to try. But i am going to stick around and put sticks in the spokes of this program parent/staff love fest when I feel like it. Just becuase I am an asshole like that.

[Anonymous]

Awesome thread to keep the flamewar in, TSW, especially since you believe she's real. I don't. Too many "I" statements, too much going on about largely irrelevant stuff, no real discussion of other parents, answering only the questions she feels like answering, and not enough discussion about what the hell actually happened there. Her reactions simply do not match those of actual parents and there is no emotion at all in anything she writes.

I'll continue as if she was, though. Noblesse oblige.

MA, harsh reality is what they come here for. They have to know it just walking in the gate. People are going to be mean to them, but as I pointed out this is an Internet messageboard. If the things we say have more impact on her than, well, just learning she sent her kid to be brutalized for eight months, this represents a massively skewed perspective and ought to be corrected as soon as possible, while she's still in contact with all these parents.

Jnzmom, if you really expect niceness here, consider: You just sent your kid to WWASPS for eight months. Even if everyone on this forum were to call you a cunt and worse for 24 hours and you read every word, the things done to your son and the things he has seen outweigh that by the weight of the Sun versus that of a marble. So pardon us if we don't care if you get your feelings hurt. And I don't particularly care if you like me or not, either.

The only thing I'm asking for is that you use your current position to get in contact with other parents and say what you can to them to get their kids the hell out. You don't like me? If you show incontrovertible evidence that you got one other kid out of a shithole, I'll give you my address and you can beat me with a stick. And this goes for the rest of you fuckweasels. (note to other fuckweasels: This is only for kids gotten out after this offer was made)

[Joyce Harris]

I have two comments:

First:  I am not sure if JNZMOM is real or not.  If she is, then this could be a great opportunity for more kids to be removed from TB.
I think some posters may doubt her because of her lack of outrage, and her descriptions of how simple it was for her to remove her son from TB.  Those who viewed the TB Documentary saw what a traumatic, emotional, and tough legal battle it is to remove children from TB.

Secondly:  I agree with the poster, who appears to be a former program student that anyone posting anonymously should not feel "threatened" that their identity will be OUTED.

When I first posted on FORNITS in 2004, I did not realize that I should have registered with a "user name", and I posted using my real name.  I am a "program parent,' and I sent my daughter to Whitmore Academy.  JNZMOM will learn that program parents must learn to be honest, and to "take the heat" if they post on FORNITS.

MOST of the Whitmore parents who posted, did post anonymously--and, I know for a fact, that these parents helped to close down that abusive facility.  But, these parents' identity was respected, and was never threatened to be revealed, or outed.

I believe that any poster has the right to post anonymously, without anyone else posting directly to that individual with comments, such as: "Why aren't you posting with your USER NAME?"

I think all of this "talk about outing people's identity by exposing their IP Addresses" is causing many people, who may have valid information to post, to stay away from FORNITS.

And, I do not believe that "former program students" should be attacked or picked on by anybody.  If he/she wants to post ANON, who cares?

Sometimes, I post ANON myself.  WHY?  Just because the name JOYCE HARRIS can stir up " negative feelings."  And, sometimes, I may just want to ask a question without stirring up a bunch of crap about Whitmore Academy.



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[Anonymous]

My experience of "real" program parents v. trolls posing as ex-or soon-to-be-ex-program-parents" is neither one is particularly interested in viewing children as anything but the private property of their sperm/egg donors.

The proof is in the pudding.  Only parents who believe they "own" their children believe they have the right to have them abducted by strangers and imprisoned in a corporate gulag where under the guise of helping families heal, their children will be subjected to physical, mental and emotional abuse at the hands of persons paid to torment them into submission.  It's really that simple.

The Repo Man is Back.

[jnzmom]

Did I know that this was going to happen to my son?  No, otherwise, I would have not sent him.   No parent purposely puts their child in a program to be abuse, emotionally or physically.   He is very open and honest about the things that happened to him and what he heard and saw.   Whether you believe me or not, thats up to you.  He doesnt blame me. We have talked about it and he also realized he doesnt want to go back to the behaviors he had before he left.  I am not pro-program.  However; we all have to realize what got us to the point to seek out of desperation of these programs.   My son may go through a tough time right now.  You dont know me or my son to just assume what happened to him or the effects it has caused.  I dont even know that.   In time, we will deal with it.  I am very interested in knowing how this has effected other suriviors and parents of other suriviors, that is why I am on this forum.  I was not out to look for arguing on whether I am real or not.   I would not be posting if I wasnt.  I would have no interest.  

As for answering questions??  Ask me anything?    As for the 35 emails.... I mostly got back "sorry, your son had a bad experience, my child is doing just fine"   That is a simplified version.

[Anonymous]

Oh please.  What did you "think" was going to happen?  You signed away the right of your child to communicate openly and freely with his own parent(s).  That's child abandoment, lady.

[jnzmom]

So what is your story?

[Joyce Harris]

Jnzmom, I believe it is important that you "tell your own story," and include as many details as you are comfortable with.

When the abuse allegations first broke at Whitmore Academy, only 4 parents withdrew their children--and we parents were attacked for not "supporting" the owners, the Sudweeks.

But, the investigation continued; and parents, and former students started posting on FORNITS.  The investigation resulted in criminal charges being brought against the owner.  Eventually other parents did listen, and more children were withdrawn from Whitmore.

Whitmore Academy is now closed; and there is a civil case pending..

Other parents who have their kids at TB may be reading FORNITS. What you have to reveal about your son's treatment at TB, may help them to come to the decision that they need to withdraw their son or daughter, too.

[Anonymous]

(Again, reality assumption. If I'm wrong on my evaluation that you're a troll, I'd rather just be wrong, or right and falling for it, than miss out on the chance to say something important.)

He is very open and honest about the things that happened to him and what he heard and saw.

What did happen to him? What did he hear and see? I thought he was going to post?

You dont know me or my son to just assume what happened to him

Actually, we don't have to know either to know that. We're all too aware of what happens to kids locked up in Tranquility Bay, as the experiences detailed at www.tbfight.com go thoroughly into detail. As an institution, they're going to do largely the same things to everybody.

"My kid is doing just fine" doesn't wash. If your kid saw others being abused, that means he saw the kids of the parents that emailed you being abused.

Which is why I urge you to have your son compile the longest possible list of personal first-hand experiences he possibly can, and you should e-mail it to every single parent that contacted you.

Also, talk to an attorney.

[Anonymous]

What is MY story? Well for starters I never signed a contract authorizing persons to modify my child's attitude and behavior in accordance to the values and beliefs of some private lock up facility thousands of miles from my home.

You sound like an ed con poser or teen help wannabe with the emotional intelligence of a flea.

Let's see if you can ratch it up a bit and display some bonafide critical thinking skills.  Unless and until you can do that (as opposed to continuing this pity party) there's no point in playing this silly little game.

[Anonymous]

WTF?  This is clearly a ST kinda parent whose been sippin' on their bourbon-laced eggnog while wrapping presents for their captive teen -- who if he/she has obtained a high enough phase/level during their captivity -- MAY be allowed to open on Christmas Day.

Either that or some attention whore is acting out their frustration at not being stroked by the Fornits regulars enough to satisfy their supersize ego.  

 :rofl: Take Your Pick.

[jnzmom]

I pick "c" none of the above

[Anonymous]

Not one description of TB and what that place was like?
Not one word of anger about how her son was treated?
Not one word about the process of getting her son released?
Not one word about ANYTHING?
And the kid is JUST FINE?
TROLL METER!  3

[Anonymous]

Not one description of TB and what that place was like?
Not one word of anger about how her son was treated?
Not one word about the process of getting her son released?
Not one word about ANYTHING?
And the kid is JUST FINE?
TROLL METER!  3

BINGO.

 :lol: