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Paradise Cove - Samoa 12-30-95 to 6-15-97
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2006, 07:34:55 AM »
I was in Samoa for 18 months. I came to this website because I had another dream about that place last night. It's amazing that a place like that coulld have such a horrifying impact on one's mind. I'm sure that the dreams will persist for the rest of my life, and it's unfortunate that there's nothing I can do to change that. I've seen therapists, tried to accept it and move on, and other things, but nothing makes the images leave my head.

Anyone out there have this type of problem? I have nightmares of being back on the beach, knowing that I don't belong there, but I'm trapped on limbo. They've got me eating rice, hot water, and boiled lamb. People from Aufaga Village are throwing rocks at us from up above. It's just a terrible dream that I can't shake.

I'd love to talk to some old friends of mine, or anyone else who was there. My name is Chris Osborn and my e-mail address is patcosborn@msn.com. Feel free to contact me. My feeling is, the only way I might truly be able to get these visions and nightmares to leave would be to find others who understand what I went through. Also, I feel that one day I'll need to return to Samoa and find that piece of me that was stolen.

I hope all of you who survived are living well. I also hope to hear from some of you
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2006, 06:53:47 PM »
My son is at TB right now.   After all the research after sending him there, he is coming home. Yes, I am to blame for not looking more into these programs before he left.  He will have a new beginning at home and I, as well, with parenting.   I thank all former students that have spoke out about this abuse.   If it wasnt for you, I would not be going this week to pick up my son.   After I have him home, the school does not know yet, I will post my experience as a parent and my son as a student.  There has to be something done about these schools.  

A Mom
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2006, 01:56:54 PM »
Shawn Treadway says:

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The place was a shithole, I never knew what "scabies" was till i went there. I was blessed to never get that nasty shit, but i was one of few. I remember they ran out of toilet paper there for like 2 weeks, it was a bit interesting to say the least. Restaining kids was beating them in my eyes, it was more than unneeded force, Although I remember I had this one kid who was in Diligence family... kid was 17 and was one of those kids who had large family breeding on his side. He was a monster, and not meaning fat, meaning 6'4 240 lbs and in the best shape I could imagine. It tooke Luke and Jade to restrain this kid. Jade-Admin./ ex golden glove boxer, great shape for his age, and Luke-Admin. also in really good shape, both of them were monsters compared to 99% of the kids. This kid though gave them a run for their money, at seventeen. I had respect for him.

As for details, and crediting what people say... i have read around the site somewhat, its all true pretty much. Room Restriction, or R&R as we called it, was rediculous. Laying a kid on his stomach, with his legs and hands behins his back, while his chin had to lay on concrete floor for 90 % of the waking day. That was sad, then if you got restrained while you were in that position, restrained, meaning forearm to the back of your head and neck, while a oversized wieght lifting dick, puts his knee along with all his wieght into your spine. At 14, and 150 lbs its a bit scary. I got mal nutrition while I was down there. I was 16, 6'0 and 147 lbs it was gross. I was way to skinny, being a fat kid before I went there I never knew that could be a problem, hahah. But that wait was soon lost and and ribs were soon to show.

Things I have to give the program credit for, believe me very few things. The Spanish thing was a fucking pain in the ass when you first get there. Who in their right mind thinks they can take an American with no knowledge of the Spanish Language whatsoever, and give him three days to learn what he needs to? But because of that, it creates a sense of urgency to learn it so you can communicate with your friends, and the staff. I learned the whole language in like six months, read, write, and speak. I still speak it to the day, which is a good thing. One thing I had a problem with was not being able to speak English, it was very rare where we could do that. We learned their language, we spoke, shouldn't we be able to speak both?

I fucking hated how they hung that fucking hell high impact over our heads. Bunch of fucking fascists using fear to control us. I lived my first 9 of my 18 months there petrified of a place that I had only heard about. I was never a big trouble maker, Jade taught me not to cause trouble my first day, when I mouthed off to him. But holding something over someone and scare them with it, to get them to do what you want, is fucking wrong. I learned how to understand and manipulate a system down there flawlessly. I learned how to talk my way out of anything, which is good in some ways, being that after the military I want to be a lawyer, or a lobyist.

All in all, I dont blame my parents for sending me there, they thought it was right for a angry 14 year old kid with bad grades, and beginning to smoke pot. I get that, but what i dont forgive pops for is, once I told him what the place was really like, he didn't listen, figuered I was exagerating or making it all up. My mom knew there was no bullshit in what I was saying, and was the one who got me out of there. What I say now, parents I think have a responsibility to work it out with their children. Not send them off for someone else to do the job. I wouldnt say the place haunts me today, life has moved on, and its in the past. But when I first got out, culture shock, difficulty adjusting, nightmares, were a daily routine. I didnt know how to act, I had been so good at being fake, and appearing as the standard mold for the program that I wasn't to sure about who I was. My friends noticed it, but I eventually came around.

Also I thought since I had a year and a half of high school taken away from me, I had a need to make up for it. I was worse after the program then before. I never ended up in jail, or anything like that, but I did drugs, got in fights, and made "non-working" decisions as those creeps used to say. I found myself and grew up in time. I just had to do it and learn on my own, I couldnt be molded into it.
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2007, 02:55:34 PM »
Jesus. Greetings from Samoa!

What pisses me off more than any other TBS type is TBSs overseas. It's hard enough to regulate and leave them from your home country. Abroad, there is no recourse! Asshole parents.

Shit, at least I could split mine.  After two failed attempts, third time was the charm. Then I had to hole up for a week. I got lucky--a single Mom took me in and I watched her kids while she worked. Then she drove me down the mountain.

Funny thing was that I split--knew instinctively I had to get out--but was still brainwashed! Funny, that.

Well-maybe not.
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2007, 01:16:52 AM »
Holy crow, you successfully split from Samoa? How long ago and do feel free to hold forth w/ stories. When we get the search function working again, I'll dig up the escapers guide thread (hopefully, assuming I didn't pooch it when I ungracefully blew out TSW's old posts).

Welcome, welcome.
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Re: WWASP Experiences
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2008, 06:21:22 PM »
It changed my life, My life is solid and I left unscathed. I also made great friendships.
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Re: WWASP Experiences
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2008, 07:13:54 PM »
We make great friends where ever we go.

A question for you...

If a program 'fixes' 10 people's lives

and in the meantime

the program harms 3 peoples lives

is the program still 'good' ?

What is and who determines the level of 'acceptable' collateral damage?
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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2008, 10:04:22 AM »
Quote from: "TB Mom"
My son is at TB right now.   After all the research after sending him there, he is coming home. Yes, I am to blame for not looking more into these programs before he left.  He will have a new beginning at home and I, as well, with parenting.   I thank all former students that have spoke out about this abuse.   If it wasnt for you, I would not be going this week to pick up my son.   After I have him home, the school does not know yet, I will post my experience as a parent and my son as a student.  There has to be something done about these schools.  

A Mom

GO MOM....from one parent to another.  I pulled my son from Casa by the Sea after 60 days...shortly after the raid on Dundee Ranch in Costa Rica. I wish there was something like these forums to help me back in 2003, but very little was know at that time.  You might want to visit the forums at antiwwasp.com...the have sub sections for each school.  There you can read things specific to TB.

When I pulled him, it was like a planned military extraction.  I NEVER alerted the school that I was coming, but the American Consulate in Tiajuana had copies of my passport, my itinerary, and a sworn statement about the school.  If the school even gets a "whiff" that you might pull your son, they will send him to another facility BEFORE you even get there. The letters between my son and me were laced with code words that would mean NOTHING to anyone other than the 2 of us.  Still...he did not know when I was to arrive.

A few tips...
make sure you tuition payment is up to date...I went the day BEFORE my next payment was due.  I heard outrageous stories about parents having to pay thousands of dollars to get the kid out.

BE CALM - this is really important!  When I walked into the office at about 8:30am on a Monday, they asked me what I wanted.  I told them that I was there to pick up my son.  Then they started calling other people into the office..big burly men!  They were telling me all the great progress my kid was making and that I was going to undermine ALL THEIR hard work..yada yada.  I held my temper as long as I could.  They asked me to wait until my son's family rep arrived for the day.  I said okay, but in the meantime....GO GET MY KID!!  I was screaming at them by now...it had already been over an hour.  I was scared but did not let it show.  Whatever they said to me...I just repeated GO GeT MY KID!!!  The family rep arrived and, of course, told me that I was a BAD parent for removing him from the facility and that he would then know that my son "OWNED ME"  They said he is just manipulating me.  I told them my decision to remove him did not require ME to explain ANYTHING to THEM.  GO GET MY KID!!!

Finally...after almost 2 hours 2 big guys escorted Dylan to the office - they told him he was being sent to TB!!!  Once he saw me standing there...silent tears rolled down his hollow cheeks..he had lost 25 lbs in 2 months.  I demanded his passport, then I grabbed him and the passport and we were out of there.  Please note:  I went to pick him up on a Monday...right after his first seminar (Discovery) over the weekend.  He was crying hysterically and said he didn't think he could leave...wanted me to take him back.  

Less than 1 mile away from the school, we were pulled over by a Jeep full of Mexican Federalies toting automatic weapons and pointing them at us.  I have never been so scared in my life!!  I thought we were dead for sure!  Apparently they were looking for drugs and they inspected my vehicle...all the while pointing guns at us.  After about 30 mins or so...they let us go.  I took off like a bat outta hell and headed for the border!  Dylan was still crying and so confused...he didn't know if he wanted to stay or go with me.  He said that he couldn't leave all the other kids in his family.

I could not even take him home right away.  He needed time to "decompress" so we went back to a hotel in San Diego for the night.  It was a harrowing experience to say the least.

Lastly....don't think they will remain grateful for their liberation.  Our time lasted only 2 weeks before he was doing the same crap.  He has continued to cause problems and was becoming verbally abusive to me again.  Despite all that, I stuck with him thru thick and thin..it has been a hard 5 years, but I NEVER EVER regret my decision to pull him.  Feel free to contact me if you need help planning an "extraction"  Email address is pam@er-ltd.com...put WWASP in subject line

YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING...DO NOT QUESTION OR 2nd GUESS YOURSELF....you know it is the right thing to do.  Best of luck to you and I will hold you and your son in my  thoughts and prayers.  Godspeed to you!

~pam...another Mom :shamrock:
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2008, 02:43:50 PM »
Quote from: "Miss Antsy Pam"
I wish there was something like these forums to help me back in 2003, but very little was know at that time.

That's not accurate. Fornits was up well before then, and plenty of threads were on the topic of WWASPS.

viewforum.php?f=9&st=0&sk=t&sd=d&start=4500
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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2008, 02:47:22 PM »
Parents,
I have a much easier way to get your kid out of WWASPS. Stop paying them money!  They will send them home if you don't pay, I can guarantee that!
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2008, 03:03:12 PM »
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Lastly....don't think they will remain grateful for their liberation.  Our time lasted only 2 weeks before he was doing the same crap.

This is probably the most outrageous thing I've seen a program parent post in a while. I'm not even going to respond to this, it speaks quite loudly all for itself.
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2008, 09:56:49 PM »
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Lastly....don't think they will remain grateful for their liberation.  Our time lasted only 2 weeks before he was doing the same crap.

This is probably the most outrageous thing I've seen a program parent post in a while. I'm not even going to respond to this, it speaks quite loudly all for itself.

Hmm...let's see??  Does beating your mother up and leaving her with a black eye and broken ankle count as acceptable behavior?  What is the right number of time to get beat up by you son????  LMK the magic number.  The judge didn't seem to think so...."you did WHAT to YOUR mother??" He was even shunned in juvie...but I guess I deserved it huh?

Not worth my time...you would be considered extremely lucky to have 1/10th of the relationship I have with my son today.  You probably don't even HAVE kids!
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2008, 10:02:07 PM »
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Quote from: "Miss Antsy Pam"
I wish there was something like these forums to help me back in 2003, but very little was know at that time.

That's not accurate. Fornits was up well before then, and plenty of threads were on the topic of WWASPS.

http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewforum. ... start=4500

Excuse me..but I did not use my computer recreationally and hang out in forums or chat rooms....I worked!  Go ahead...judge me all you want.  Bottom line...I DID stick it our with him.....more than you will ever know!
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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2008, 10:07:14 PM »
Come on people....crucify me...have fun.  I posted MY TRUTH...that is the only thing that matters when it all boils down to the end.  Knock yourself out posting and bashing parents that are trying to help put an end to the industry.  You have no idea what I do or what contribution I make to this site and other anti BM sites...so have fun you spineless simpletons
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