Poll

Did you go to Carlbrook? When did you Graduate?

May 2003 Alpha
0 (0%)
August 2003 Beta
1 (14.3%)
December 2003 Gamma/Delta
0 (0%)
May 2004 Epsilon/Zeta
1 (14.3%)
August 2004 Eta
0 (0%)
December 2004 Theta/Iota
0 (0%)
May 2005 Kappa/Lambda
0 (0%)
After May 05
5 (71.4%)

Total Members Voted: 2

Voting closes: November 07, 2043, 08:18:16 AM

Author Topic: POSITIVE Carlbrook Experiences  (Read 12646 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
POSITIVE Carlbrook Experiences
« Reply #105 on: December 06, 2006, 03:49:24 PM »
I thought that sounded a lot like a certain program parent we know.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anne Bonney

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 5006
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
POSITIVE Carlbrook Experiences
« Reply #106 on: December 06, 2006, 05:15:01 PM »
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""Guest""
I actually attended Carlbrook in the first year.  It is nothing like you detractors describe. The OP summarized it well. You can have a terrible experience, or you can use the opp to learn something about yourself and be ready to move on in life when you leave. Sturg was a mess before, during and after Carlbrook. There were others who didn't benefit and have a lot of angre a t the school because they themselves were fuckups.  I myself hated a lot of it but that is mainly because I was used to being able to do whatever I wanted to do and at Carlbrook I couldn't get away with my ususal shit.  the owners of the school work really long hours and while some might seem like asses, they actually really care about each and every kid there.  Yes Andy Coe is pretty psycho, but if I wwere around kids such as myself day in and day out for a career I would be psycho too.
I can't understand how those of you on this forum like dysfunction who sounds like an adult can claim any knowledge of Carlbrook at all. I can't even imagine why an adult would waste hours and hours on a forum about a teen school. It really makes me wonder if you are a pedophile or something.  I hope you are getting some counseling for whatever makes you want to invest your life complaining about schools.
I read some of the ASR and HLA threads since these schools are a little like Carlbrook, although from what I have learned HLA is really not a comparison because the kids that go are much worse off than the Carlbrook kids and the academics aren't as good.  I can tell that HLA isn't like Carlbrook, too because if you will notice the Carlbrook discussion doesn't attract many people. This is because the Carlbrook kids have lives and have moved on. They don't have any interest in spending their life on a message board like Robert Bruce and Deborah complaining about a cschool and fightin gwith each other.  And who in the hell is wobegookin and where did she go to school?  I have to tell you that you all seem crazy and I am glad that I didn't go wherever you all did.  I sent an IM to one of my Carlbrook friends and she looked at this site and thought it was the most incredible waste of human energy she had ever seen.  I hope you know that the kids and staff connected with Carlbrook are laughing their heads off at all of you.  
Maybe consider taking up another hobby.


What possess a program mother to go to great lengths to defend a program? OCD? Referral fees? Holding stock in said program?



Oh christ!  Is it really?  For fuck's sake lady.  Get a goddamn grip on reality!  Spending hours on a forum that you hate, posing as a Carlbrook/HLA/TBS-of-the-week student?  Is that your[/b] hobby?  Impersonating children on Fornits?  How pathetic can you possibly get? :roll:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
traight, St. Pete, early 80s
AA is a cult http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult.html

The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house.  ~~  Frank Zappa

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
POSITIVE Carlbrook Experiences
« Reply #107 on: December 07, 2006, 12:57:44 AM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
So someone ripped the line out of the utility pole infront of my yard and now I'm back online.

Looks like I've missed a lot  :rofl:

I LOVE this new angle... "good experiences (insofar as what we were told were good) only!"

Right, so because someone went through the full LGAT experience (including euphoria) and was convinced it was good for them, had a beneficial effect, and they believe it, they now have to go out into the world and tell everyone to only listen to what some overly influenced programmie has to say and ignore anything factual, specific, and evidential and only listen to their generalized, spin-doctored press-release-esque boilerplate about how they could have taken the "opportunity to learn about themself instead of making it a bad experience".

OP - do rape victims have the obligation of learning about how they like submission, masochism, humiliation, fear and potential STD infection and "how it RELATES to them" and make it a growth experience during a rape?

'cause saying you "make or break the program experience" is basically the same thing...


well said
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
POSITIVE Carlbrook Experiences
« Reply #108 on: December 07, 2006, 06:43:19 AM »
hey there Butterfly.  I know you-  are you on facebook?  send me an IM.  Saw you at the funeral-  this is JBS from Delta.  Give me a holla.  Catch you later.  Off to school.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Troll Control

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7391
  • Karma: +1/-0
    • View Profile
POSITIVE Carlbrook Experiences
« Reply #109 on: December 07, 2006, 08:10:44 AM »
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Quote from: ""Deborah""
Quote from: ""Guest""
I actually attended Carlbrook in the first year.  It is nothing like you detractors describe. The OP summarized it well. You can have a terrible experience, or you can use the opp to learn something about yourself and be ready to move on in life when you leave. Sturg was a mess before, during and after Carlbrook. There were others who didn't benefit and have a lot of angre a t the school because they themselves were fuckups.  I myself hated a lot of it but that is mainly because I was used to being able to do whatever I wanted to do and at Carlbrook I couldn't get away with my ususal shit.  the owners of the school work really long hours and while some might seem like asses, they actually really care about each and every kid there.  Yes Andy Coe is pretty psycho, but if I wwere around kids such as myself day in and day out for a career I would be psycho too.
I can't understand how those of you on this forum like dysfunction who sounds like an adult can claim any knowledge of Carlbrook at all. I can't even imagine why an adult would waste hours and hours on a forum about a teen school. It really makes me wonder if you are a pedophile or something.  I hope you are getting some counseling for whatever makes you want to invest your life complaining about schools.
I read some of the ASR and HLA threads since these schools are a little like Carlbrook, although from what I have learned HLA is really not a comparison because the kids that go are much worse off than the Carlbrook kids and the academics aren't as good.  I can tell that HLA isn't like Carlbrook, too because if you will notice the Carlbrook discussion doesn't attract many people. This is because the Carlbrook kids have lives and have moved on. They don't have any interest in spending their life on a message board like Robert Bruce and Deborah complaining about a cschool and fightin gwith each other.  And who in the hell is wobegookin and where did she go to school?  I have to tell you that you all seem crazy and I am glad that I didn't go wherever you all did.  I sent an IM to one of my Carlbrook friends and she looked at this site and thought it was the most incredible waste of human energy she had ever seen.  I hope you know that the kids and staff connected with Carlbrook are laughing their heads off at all of you.  
Maybe consider taking up another hobby.


What possess a program mother to go to great lengths to defend a program? OCD? Referral fees? Holding stock in said program?


Oh christ!  Is it really?  For fuck's sake lady.  Get a goddamn grip on reality!  Spending hours on a forum that you hate, posing as a Carlbrook/HLA/TBS-of-the-week student?  Is that your[/b] hobby?  Impersonating children on Fornits?  How pathetic can you possibly get? :roll:


Oh, lord.  Is this the lovely Karen again?  Lying again?  Pretending to be someone else again?  Watching tapes of Kiley corn-holing his girl again?  (just threw that on ein for fun!)

Seriously, Karen, get a fucking life!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
The Linchpin Link

Whooter - The Most Prolific Troll Fornits Has Ever Seen - The Definitive Links
**********************************************************************************************************
"Looks like a nasty aspentrolius sticci whooterensis infestation you got there, Ms. Fornits.  I\'ll get right to work."

- Troll Control

Offline CBButterflyDA

  • Posts: 11
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
POSITIVE Carlbrook Experiences
« Reply #110 on: December 07, 2006, 02:01:51 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
hey there Butterfly.  I know you-  are you on facebook?  send me an IM.  Saw you at the funeral-  this is JBS from Delta.  Give me a holla.  Catch you later.  Off to school.


wait, I can't figure out who this is..... JBS... give me another hint....
ps i wasnt at the funeral but I'm sure you know me if youre from Delta
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Troll Control

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7391
  • Karma: +1/-0
    • View Profile
POSITIVE Carlbrook Experiences
« Reply #111 on: December 07, 2006, 02:31:20 PM »
Quote from: ""CBButterflyDA""
Quote from: ""Guest""
hey there Butterfly.  I know you-  are you on facebook?  send me an IM.  Saw you at the funeral-  this is JBS from Delta.  Give me a holla.  Catch you later.  Off to school.

wait, I can't figure out who this is..... JBS... give me another hint....
ps i wasnt at the funeral but I'm sure you know me if youre from Delta


What funeral???
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
The Linchpin Link

Whooter - The Most Prolific Troll Fornits Has Ever Seen - The Definitive Links
**********************************************************************************************************
"Looks like a nasty aspentrolius sticci whooterensis infestation you got there, Ms. Fornits.  I\'ll get right to work."

- Troll Control

Offline ChristopherRobb

  • Posts: 6
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: POSITIVE Carlbrook Experiences
« Reply #112 on: January 26, 2011, 11:41:18 PM »
Anybody interested in Carlbrook please visit the site http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=121154957908461. It is a public facebook forum that discusses Carlbrook and in which people are not anonymous, thus seeks to eliminate some of the more colorful and less productive aspects trends that occur on this one. If anybody is interested in documenting what went on at Carlbrook and taking it beyond the internet (not necessarily to the courts but gaining more legitimacy for our concern) I am attempting to collect sworn affidavits about the events that went on that aim to capture the truth. If you have told the truth you can use the accounts you've already made on this site and have them notarized. It is relatively easy to do this at a bank. Collecting affidavits of what went on there is important because obviously the extreme level of discontent coupled with severity and volume of accusations merits at least some sort of review by a state agency, the courts, or a specialist in mediation/arbitration. Tell the truth and don't exaggerate in any affidavits or you will be subject to perjury. You are also potentially sacrificing anonymity. You can either post your account on the facebook website or you can send it to my e-mail, crobb@gwu.edu. I personally am glad that I went to Carlbrook in the long run. Less because of what Carlbrook did but because I did need a change of environment. There are good people there and it saddens me that their employment may be threatened by irresponsible and reckless decisions of their superiors. I do honestly believe every single person, aside from maybe one or two was convinced that they were helping us. However, this issue is bigger then whether you liked Carlbrook or the people there. This is about what is acceptable to do to people, no matter what they have done, against their will. This is about the type of breakdown that happens in many organizations that suffer from a closed, secretive management. There were several things that were unacceptable, regardless of your experience.
What was unacceptable was that Grant Price and others who ran groups and made explicitly "therapeutic decisions" has no formal training, education or certification to be providing mental health services (which is exactly what running a group therapy is doing). Carlbrook is not held to any standards in the provision of such services and that is a problem. There are a reason standards and regulations exist in this field (even if they have problems of their own). I think even those who cherished the experience realize that a lot of what went on was not OK and though intentions may not have been malicious by any party, kids were hurt and traumatized by the purposely constructed environment of acute stress and anxiety. Even if you could "take it" some couldn't. People are different. A one size fits all approach of breaking people down and building their identity back up may be useful in forming a cohesive military unit but it is not in treating kids for problems that in many instances are related to stress and anxiety in the first place. Creating an environment with the level of intensity and stress that Carlbrook did obviously will have different effects on different types of people. The degree of emotional invasiveness can also not be underestimated. Forcing people to disclose things they don't want to is simply unethical. Plain and simple. I see this as not an issue of whether or not you liked Carlbrook or certain people there. I see this as an issue of Carlbrook making egregious and harmful administrative errors and being held accountable like any other organization that provided you sub-standard services. If Johnson & Johnson sells defective Tylenol, like they did, they are held to account. Carlbrook purposely humiliated kids, engaged in arbitrary and bizarre punishment and the therapeutic relationships and incentives are certainly highly unethical if not illegal. I would like to know for certain if they are and what potential damage might have been inflicted. I would like to know if Carlbrook gave kids Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome which is a condition that worsens with age. I personally am not OK with so much of what went on at Carlbrook and think that a lack of accountability for past events or sweeping what happened "under the rug" would set a terrible precedent and would only encourage others to provide even worse services to kids. Carlbrook is attempting to legitimize and dilute a form of treatment that has been roundly rejected by medical professionals, the courts, and state agencies. Please join me in writing and notarizing an affidavit.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »