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Historical letters/ Sue Scheff/ WWASPS
BuzzKill:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---"It seems to me this should have created at least some passionate discussion among the followers"
Mass dicussion wasn't allowed. If you tried to discuss anything that Sue didn't agree with then you were removed from the list. If you discussed anything that was "controversial" you were removed from the list. Sue and some of the others on the list did not want any thing to get in the way of "thier" goals or plans.
--- End quote ---
Yeah, I'd say this is accurate. What she did on a couple of occasions when things were getting to hot to handle was take down the list. Said on the first occasion that BK DeLong took the list down for maintenance. Never had been taken down for maintenance before (that I was aware of) and it was coincidental that it went down during a heated debate that cast her in a negative light.
The second time it went down (that I am aware of) was also during a very heated debate, where some of her majesty's little secretes were getting aired out. Lee wrote me and said : "Looks like YOU pissed the server off?" The server?? Ha!
Its true people often withheld thoughts and comments on the list b/c they knew Sue would go ballistic. But an awful lot of chatter took place off the list.
As for learning how much PURE brought in; and how long, and under what circumstances PURE had referred to WWASP - all this came to light at the same time as the Whitmore situation was heating up; as well as when ISAC was served papers from Litchfield. A lot of the "Trekkers" were shocked an appalled. Others continue in their devotion to the referral diva. I can't imagine why - but they do.
If the Trekker list ever went back up I am unaware of it. I suspect so - after a good house cleaning - but I wouldn't be privy to that info.
Lee can tell us if the list went back up - if he has a mind to.
I don't think he (or anyone) has anything to do with the law suit "press releases" PURE and CaCa have up. All that is public information. I think they just want to bask in the glow of their fake advocacy by pretending to be important and connected.
As for weather or not Sue told people she has sent to WWASP about it - I really don't know - but if they are in touch with anyone interested in holding the program accountable, they will learn about it. If they use the internet, and decide to google some, they will learn about it. Its not a secrete that can be kept from them, if they are at all interested.
For example, Sue didn't tell me and my friends about it - but we soon enough got word - and we have told others. So, Sue can keep her info close to her chest if she wants. If it is anything that matters, word will get out. If it matters not - then who cares?
Anonymous:
What was the "heated debate that cast her (Scheff) in a negative light" about that caused the listserve to be closed down?
What were "her majesty's little secrets that were being aired?"
Do you know who THESE OTHERS are that still "continue in their devotion" to Scheff?
Surely, these devotees never had children in any abusive programs. What would make people be devoted to a woman who referred children to WWASP after she started PURE? Or to be devoted to a woman who continued to refer children to Whitmore while the Sudweeks were being investigated for child abuse; and AFTER Cheryl Sudweeks had been CHARGED?
These "devotees" seem to have some common agenda like the "diva" and it smells like $$$$$$$.
BuzzKill:
Lets take this to a new thread - shall we? I think this one was intended to be a collection of "Historical documents" If we clutter it up with to much commentary it will make any documents that might get posted harder to find.
Anonymous:
I think it's time for the new wave of historial documents to hit as I feel it is beginning to get reduntant discussing the material posted in the first wave (not to infer the previous postings are not appreciated, because they are so thank you to whoever posted them). Just thought if anyone has more historical documents to post, this might be a good time.
Anonymous:
Background investigation.
Point #1: Sue hooks up with Donna Hedrick sometime in the middle of 2001.
Point #2: Donna Hedrick was convicted of some kind of welfare fraud and was in prison. WWASP didn't know about this. But Donna died before they got her in court anyway. Donna claimed she was a "social worker" like Izzy claims she is a "legal professional". Donna lied as does Izzy.
Point #3: Donna and Sue start their own referral business and get fees. They tell themselves and parents they are "saving" children and "bringing families back together."
Point #4: Sue, Donna and Marie Peart hook up. Marie is a pro at conning and so is Sue and Donna H. so the three ladies become business partners.
Point #5: Marie Peart has 2 criminal convictions for some kind of fraud or stealing. This is true and one is in north Utah and one in south Utah where she lives and can be checked with courts.
FILLER POINTS TO THE ABOVE:
Sue Scheff had her daughter at Carolina Springs Academy the WWASP school for 6 months in 2000.
Sue got her kid out in December 2000 but Sue sold WWASP all during her kid's incarceration and until at least August 2001.
Okay but Sue formed PURE in Jan/Feb 2001.
Sue formed PURE to sell WWASP and she admitted to it in the other documents in her own words.
We know Sue said she took her daughter with her to the WWASP cult seminars to convince parents to pay for WWASP for SIX MORE MONTHS AFTER HER KID WAS OUT OF CAROLINA SPRINGS!!!! Hello?
The Sue-sue gets into with WWASP cause she wants one of them at WWASP to alter their files to pay more money to Sue. This is in the WWASP versus Sue Scheff court file![/b]
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