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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2007, 04:55:29 PM »
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Does Isabelle Zehnder, CAICA refer parents to escort/transport companies?
If so, does anyone know what escort/transport companies she uses?


You might want to also post this question on the CAICA/PURE forum just to be sure it is seen by anyone who could help answer your question.
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2007, 01:13:03 AM »
Isabelle Zehnder's email which has been posted on the Trouble Teen Industry thread:
Isabelle Zehnder referred to Sunrise Adolescent Transport, in St. George, Utah.
Sunrise Adolescent Transport is run/owned by Julie Thompson who states she was formerly employed by WWASP TEEN HELP.
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2007, 11:26:13 AM »
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Isabelle Zehnder's email which has been posted on the Trouble Teen Industry thread:
Isabelle Zehnder referred to Sunrise Adolescent Transport, in St. George, Utah.
Sunrise Adolescent Transport is run/owned by Julie Thompson who states she was formerly employed by WWASP TEEN HELP.


And reportedly also states that she transports to Cross Creek; that Cross Creek is a great program she would send her own kid to.

Time to go now Izzahell. Or at least stop pretending to care about the abuse so rampant in this industry. Be who you are. A profit motivated, ethically challenged, promoter of institutional child abuse.. Sell those programs and arrange those transports, and rake in the cash. But really, you must now know, there is no point in any further pretence of concern for the kids or their families.
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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2007, 10:42:43 AM »
Isn't this a little bit like getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar?  What difference does it make if Isabelle isn't paid for providing PURE with sales leads?  There are other ways to benefit - e.g. PURE referring clients to CAICA for "coaching".  Perhaps it is as simple as that?
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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2007, 01:49:35 PM »
Isn't Isabelle Zehnder showing a little disrespect to the Turley plaintiffs by referring to this teen transport business---Sunrise Adolescent Transports?

Isn't this transport company owned by a former TEEN HELP employee, Julie Thompson, who reportedly praises Cross Creek Manor, a WWASP facility with the words, "I'd send my own daughter there?"

Isn't TEEN HELP a defendant in this lawsuit being handled by the Turley lawfirm?
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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2007, 03:03:02 PM »
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Isn't Isabelle Zehnder showing a little disrespect to the Turley plaintiffs by referring to this teen transport business---Sunrise Adolescent Transports?

Isn't this transport company owned by a former TEEN HELP employee, Julie Thompson, who reportedly praises Cross Creek Manor, a WWASP facility with the words, "I'd send my own daughter there?"

Isn't TEEN HELP a defendant in this lawsuit being handled by the Turley lawfirm?


Yes, I do believe TEEN HELP was named in this lawsuit.

Has Sue Scheff ever referred to Sunrise Adolescent Transport?

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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2007, 04:14:47 PM »
Hmmm, if Isabelle Zehnder (CAICA) refers parents  to Sunrise Adolescent Transport, I'd venture to guess there's a good possibility that Sue Scheff might also.

Remember, Sue Scheff has a long history with TEEN HELP when she was referring to them both before and after she started PURE.  Randall Hinton worked for TEEN HELP too, before leaving to start his program in Puerto RIco.

So that's two former Teen Help admissions reps who have gone into ventures of their own.

RANDALL HINTON:  White River Adventures

JULIE THOMPSON:  Sunrise Adolescent Transport

The real question is HOW did Isabelle Zehnder learn of this transport company and what other teen help type companies does she refer to?
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2007, 07:48:12 PM »
Where is Randall Hinton now, is he working at a program again- anyone know?
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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2007, 03:57:14 AM »
Hinton is awaiting trial on 7 counts of 3rd degree assault and  false imprisonment against students at Royal George Academy in Colorado.
The trial is set for August 27 -31st, 2007.

Sue Scheff does seem to have  friends who have problems with the criminal justice system, doesn't she?
The Sudweeks at Whitmore Academy.
Her co/worker Marie Peart.
Now, Mr. Hinton.

Hmmmmmm
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2007, 03:50:09 PM »
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Isn't Isabelle Zehnder showing a little disrespect to the Turley plaintiffs by referring to this teen transport business---Sunrise Adolescent Transports?

Isn't this transport company owned by a former TEEN HELP employee, Julie Thompson, who reportedly praises Cross Creek Manor, a WWASP facility with the words, "I'd send my own daughter there?"

Isn't TEEN HELP a defendant in this lawsuit being handled by the Turley lawfirm?


Yes, Teen Help is one of the defendants in this lawsuit.

Anybody know whether the Turley lawfirm and plaintiffs are aware of the professional relationship CAICA (Isabelle Zehnder) has with PURE and apparently this transport company?  Frankly I don't think it makes any difference whatsoever whether Isabelle Zehnder is compensated or not for her role in facilitating "SALES LEADS" for PURE or Sunrise Adolescent Transport.
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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2007, 07:28:03 PM »
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:49 pm    Post subject:  

Isn't Isabelle Zehnder showing a little disrespect to the Turley plaintiffs by referring to this teen transport business---Sunrise Adolescent Transports?

Isn't this transport company owned by a former TEEN HELP employee, Julie Thompson, who reportedly praises Cross Creek Manor, a WWASP facility with the words, "I'd send my own daughter there?"

Isn't TEEN HELP a defendant in this lawsuit being handled by the Turley lawfirm?

Yes, Teen Help is one of the defendants in this lawsuit.

Anybody know whether the Turley lawfirm and plaintiffs are aware of the professional relationship CAICA (Isabelle Zehnder) has with PURE and apparently this transport company?  Frankly I don't think it makes any difference whatsoever whether Isabelle Zehnder is compensated or not for her role in facilitating "SALES LEADS" for PURE or Sunrise Adolescent Transport.


It is interesting, that in Izzy's letter referring the parent (who I will refer to as "X") to Pure, she also included the name of an escort service that is both unlicensed, and works with WWASP.  Presumably, they would transport to whatever school Sue would refer to.  Keep in mind, this is coming from a publicly acknowledged friend of Sue, who claims to be an advocate, and (publicly) rails against unreglated/unlicensed Programs and transport services.  Nice, trustworthy friends Sue has.  It is interesting that few, if any, legitimate advocates, trust her enough to even link to Izzy's site (except, perhaps, in ridicule).  She is so publicly distrusted, as is Sue, that they have an entire forum dedicated to them on Fornits.

While "X" was talking to Isabelle, the wrong phone number was initially given to he/she for Sunrise transport.  It turns out, that the phone number was actually for a WWASP affiliated school (http://www.midwestacademy.net/).  How could she make such a mistake?  Did she have the number memorized?  Why would that be the case?

Now... Let me ask you this: Would a parent who stumbled across that school/website have any way of knowing it was associated with WWASP?  Food for thought.

Note:  Didn't Randall Hinton (Sue's referral business buddy) used to work at Midwest?

In any case, Izabelle has since publicly admitted (what else could she do) that she works with Scheff, stating on her blog:

"While Isabelle would like to be able to help all families that turn to her, it is not always possible. Sometimes she is faced with a situation that calls for outside intervention, as mentioned above. During those times she turns to Sue for help.

And when Sue receives a call from a desperate parent and feels the issues could possibly be resolved at home she will suggest parents call Isabelle to see if coaching may help keep their families together.

Sue and Isabelle do not profit from each other, nor do they have any financial relationships. This is about parents helping parents and coming together for the common goal of helping families."


Do you see how the third paragraph is contradicted by the previous two?  She claims there is no financial relationship.  I suppose she could quibble about the definition of financial, but bi-directional referral shows a definitely business relationship where there is mutual financial gain involved.  Essentially, parents are traded off as "products", holding, as customers, potential financial value.  Isabelle may pretend to be an advocate, but she also publicly acknowledges herself as "CEO" of her coaching service, "Positive Family Solutions."

Sue refers to Izzy's "coaching" business which is not free, during which (i hypothesize) she systematically will say "i'm sorry.. I really think it's too serious to be dealt with... I think your son/daughter needs treatment.. Here... let me recommend PURE... Sue can help you avoid getting caught in WWASP's trap"  Sue, then refers to programs that pay her for finder's fees (see WWASP vs PURE transcript for lots of goodies regarding sue's referrals).

that isn't even to mention the disclaimer on the blog, stating "Sue Scheff and Isabelle Zehnder believe in team work. They not only work with each other but they work with a group of other professionals who all share the same goals - to keep families together whenever possible and to help find safe alternatives when it is not possible."

Who are those other Professionals?
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2007, 10:59:32 PM »
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While "X" was talking to Isabelle, the wrong phone number was initially given to he/she for Sunrise transport. It turns out, that the phone number was actually for a WWASP affiliated school (http://www.midwestacademy.net/).

How could she make such a mistake? Did she have the number memorized? Why would that be the case?


Holy Shit - I hope there's some way to further investigate this matter so as to determine how indeed The WIZARD of CA_CA could make such a grotesque mistake as to refer a parent to a program run by Brian Viafunua, the former owner and director of Paradise Cove.

 :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:
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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2007, 06:17:47 PM »
Just to let you know, Mr. Stinson is no longer on Ironwood's website and I believe no longer works there.  Also, there is so much damage to people and places by putting out blogs.  I stumbled across this site and looked up both places that had been written about TAR and Ironwood.  Don't people have anything else better to do than to slander one another.  Maybe we all ought to focus on doing unto others what we would have done to us.

Gossip is completely disgusting!
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« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2007, 06:38:13 PM »
Quote from: ""Some retarded WWASPie""
Just to let you know, Mr. Stinson is no longer on Ironwood's website and I believe no longer works there.

So which shitpit does it work at now?

Quote from: ""Some retarded WWASPie""
Also, there is so much damage to people and places by putting out blogs.

::rocker::  ::rocker::

Not quite as good as "we lose five kids a month from negative publicity on the Internet" that a single child torturer wrote, but it'll suffice.

Quote from: ""Some retarded WWASPie""
I stumbled across this site and looked up both places that had been written about TAR and Ironwood.

You just stumbled across it, huh? :roll:

Quote from: ""Some retarded WWASPie""
Don't people have anything else better to do than to slander one another.

Yes, we can tell the truth. Which is what Fornits is for. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Quote from: ""Some retarded WWASPie""
Maybe we all ought to focus on doing unto others what has been done to us.

Fixed!

Quote from: ""Some retarded WWASPie""
Gossip is completely disgusting!


No, locking kids in dog cages is disgusting.
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« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2007, 08:05:28 PM »
Nobody in Particular:
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there is so much damage to people and places by putting out blogs


You are correct.
Do you know Sue Scheff at PURE by any chance?
If, so; could you ask her to take down that disgusting Whitmore Academy blog; since is it filled with so many lies?
Thanks.
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