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Clambo:
I've read a BUNCH of interesting things tonight.....I'm thinking my friend might not be so crazy now....but perhaps totally in the grips of PTSD and other such things.

Several of you mentioned strange happenings at the Intercoastal Canal. My friend claims she was taken out there in Roloff's plane and then raped by some guy....that Roloff set the whole thing up. She claims she became pregnant and later gave birth to twin boys which she was forced to give up for adoption.

I'm not sure how much is fact and how much is fiction here......but I have read enough to know that it's not entirely implausible. She's a compulsive liar and quite delusional sometimes but I think there may be at least some truth in her claim.

She said that she thought at the time, " You can have my body but you can't have my mind. "

I think that is/was the origin of her seeming multiple personality problem.

All I know for sure is that............something happened out there. Anyone else wanna chime in ?

Nothing I've read thus far indicates anything about Roloff and company doing anything remotely as heinous as having a 14 yr old raped.........

If you know something I don't, please don't be afraid to contact me or speak up. I care very deeply for this woman and I need all the information I can get. She is not doing well at all in life. Major drug and alcohol problems, has had them for 25 years. She has all the accompanying problems too. I don't even know how to describe her current behavior. Sweet, charming, successful, beautiful, mother, wife, home owner, successful career.......at the same time alcoholic, cocaine addict, heroin addict, liar, manipulator, sex addict, etc. etc.
I dated her for several months before I started to learn who she really was. Wow. I've never met anyone who can look you right in the eye and lie to you over and over no matter how much evidence you present to the contrary. She lives in about 3 different realities and I can actually see her jump from one to the other. It's amazing. It used to really piss me off. Finally I came to the conclusion that she actually believes what she says....

I feel very sorry for her daughter and her husband. (Still !) Not to mention every other guy who ever got involved with her.

I'm not involved with her that way anymore. Not since I became enlightened to the facts anyway, but I still care about her and I know her life has reached an entirely new low recently and I know she's going to pop back into my life at some point looking for an escape disguised as wanting "help". And once again I know I'm going to try and help and I know once again I am going to pay a very dear price for it. I feel I have to. I am the only one left that will.

The most surreal day of my life was listening to her tell me all about Roloff and the Honeybees and being raped.......while she was loaded to the stratosphere on Oxycodone and playing old church songs from memory on her piano. She claims to have memorized something like 300 of them and can quote the Bible with equal ease.

If there were one person who had a hand in making her what she has become and I could prove it.......I would gladly kill that person very slowly.

John

Anonymous:
There are several things to consider here.  The source, as you say, is probably intermingling truth and delusion in her story.
The possibility of her being raped at the intercoastal is very, very likely.  Reason being, this was where they kept the most troubled boys.  The ones that could actually pose a threat in the normal farm environment.  That, and the fact that their raging hormones were being repressed can lead to a girl there being raped.
I do not believe Roloff would set it up, but I do believe that your friend sees it that way.  I could believe that she told what happened and was accused of being seductive, or made to believe that it was her fault.  Possibly shamed.  If she did get pregnant, the child, or children were most likely given up for adoption.  
The possibility of this story being true exists, just as the possibility of it not being true exists.
If it is true, can you really fault this woman for the life she now lives?

Anonymous:
this is a bullshit story yer friend told you. lester wasnt that type of man. your friend probably got knocked up while pulllin a train on some of the farm kids and/or farm workers

Anonymous:
To the last poster,
You don't get to call bullshit on other peoples stories and memories.  You can feel strongly about something without discounting someone else's opinion.  If a person wanted to know how Lester Roloff felt about women (it wasn't good) all they would have to do is listen to some of his sermons which are still readily available online.  If the person the first poster referred to is truly someone he cares about, he should do a little research, and he will find a very long drawn out history of abuse connected to the Roloff homes.  Documented clear back to the early 60's.  But if they are not truly someone he cares about then by all means he can take your word for it.

Anonymous:
I agree with the "bullshit" poster of Aug 03, 2007 - the stories from the woman with the addictions and the multiple personalities cannot be believed at all. I've known people like that, they are basically con artists who take advantage of the empathy of everyone else. I wish Clambo, the Nov 03, 2006 poster, would do a follow-up posting about the woman he was so concerned about.

Lester Roloff was a consummate Christian and never did a thing but follow the Bible scriptures as he interpreted them. I lived at his City of Refuge in the Rio Grande Valley from late '63 when it opened until I left in '66 with Brother Bobby McMeens, the director, who started his Christian Corral Boys Ranch in New Braunfels, TX.

As for "abuse," that's mostly how the incorrigible and delinquent kids interpreted the counseling - which I admit could extend up to paddling - that resulted when they broke the rules. A lot of the kids at Roloff's homes were far from the average boy or girl, and were being saved from state incarceration by the grace of Roloff and his staff. To many of those kids, just living under strict Christian rules seemed like abuse! Hey, I had that attitude myself at times back then!

And you know, although it's been years since the Roloff vs. State of Texas battle, we still see the word "abuse" tossed out when complaints arise from a school or a home or a parent enforcing a strict code of conduct. It does get the names of certain people or organizations in the headlines, after all.

In the final analysis, if we want civilization to advance and the world to become a better place, we need rules and role models that can counteract dissolution and evil-doing. Human behavior is a broad spectrum, and even religions and cults have helped with those things.

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