Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Seed Discussion Forum

A Good Experience

<< < (3/3)

Anonymous:
Hey Thom, long time no hear.  I agree with one thing you said...The Seed very clearly demonstrated to me how messed up my family was. The mere fact they placed my sister and I in such a disjointed messed up place, adopted the cultic special language with glee  and forced us to worship a middle aged chain smoking alcoholic cult leader clearly drove that point home.


The streets of 7-11 Lake Vista, Eh? I remember those places vividly and don't think "the streets" is a fair description.  But messed up, sure...I think we all were to varying degrees, and If anyone was firing heroin at 14 then I agree they had a HUGE problem.

I still wouldn't put them in that nuthouse, though, if it were my kid...I would find something a little less Jim Jonsey if you know what I mean.

Antigen:
On 2003-03-03 16:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
 I agree with one thing you said...The Seed very clearly demonstrated to me how messed up my family was. The mere fact they placed my sister and I in such a disjointed messed up place, adopted the cultic special language with glee and forced us to worship a middle aged chain smoking alcoholic cult leader clearly drove that point home.

ROFL!!! That's too funny! I never thought of it that way. I suppose that's because it took me another 20 years to really get the point. Thanks for a good laugh.
The people's right to change what does not work is one of the greatest
principles in our system of government

--Richard M. Nixon
--- End quote ---

Anonymous:
If the Seed was a good experience for you, then your family must have been some horror show. I guess it's all relative. You and your family apparently went through the program with your eyes closed. Were you not aware of all the controversy surrounding the Seed -- in the media, and elsewhere?  Were you not aware of how many millions Art Barker "took" from very desperate parents?  Are you not aware that drug rehab is a very profitable business?  Do you not know that Art Barker's business strategy was to emphasize recruitment of children of doctors and lawyers? Are you not aware that most Seedlings had no significant drug problems, but that Art Barker used fear as a recruitment strategy with their parents?  Are you not aware that for every one Seedling that feels "saved," there are twenty, thirty, forty more who feel robbed, tricked, humiliated, angry?

By the way, if your "saved" brother is a professional, I sure hope he spells better than you do.  How do *you* define professional?  In my book, it's "educated."

FueLaw:
Whoever started this thread is one of the biggest schmucks to ever trod the face of the earth. It's a great experience to get your head beat in, get brainwashed and otherwised mentally tortured, have your support system torn apart with nothing to replace it, have people pretending to help you and your family who had absolutely no qualifications to administer such help.

Just because things turned out ok for you doesn't mean the Seed was worth a shit. I became a lawyer, so what ! It certainly wasn't because of the seed.

Everytime I hear a story about a life ending early, such as Big Frank, I get pissed and I think back to 30 years ago when I was in the group. I wonder how many other Big Frank's there are out there ?

To Art Barker, Libby, John Underwood, Robert Chun, Suzzy Connors, Scott Baretsky and all you other scumbags that were ever staff members "EAT SHIT & DIE". You scumbags, and the people that think and believe as you do, are lower than the slime at the bottom of a sewer.

GregFL:
"Everytime I hear a story about a life ending early, such as Big Frank, I get pissed and I think back to 30 years ago when I was in the group. I wonder how many other Big Frank's there are out there ?"

There are very many people that attende the Seed who feel utterly worthless and ashamed and cannot identify why. Just this year We lost two graduates THAT I KNOW OF to drug overdoses/abuse. I got an email last week from someone who is a ward of the state of Florida. Aother wrote me the day before yesterday and said they have had problems ever since the seed and is currently on medication to help her deal with it. Three months ago Art fucking Barker told a journalist that he has a 90% success rate. He still, to his death, is taking that lie with him.

The seed was no joke for thousands of kids, now adults, that tried unsuccessfully to bury the nightmare.

consider it unburied. I will keep this message site going for no other reason than to honor the names of those that didn't make it.

So, Dave Leverone.....Big Frank....Mr. Kienzle....the unnamed kid that shot himself in the head before group thirty years ago, and all the other fallen graduates, this site is dedicated to you.

 
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use

--Galileo Galilei
--- End quote ---

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[*] Previous page