Pathway Investigation

[Anonymous]

If you are a survivor of pathways and have concerns, a story to tell or information
you may also give the information not only to ISAC but go to the following website and fill out the "filing a concern form" this is the organization that accredits pathways.

http://www.coanet.org and on the left click on file a concern.

You can also send your info to [email protected]

[Anonymous]

Typically they want you to snail mail it, however, because  international survivors action committee is currently forming a report to send to them you might try doing an email to the below address and state

I have recently become aware of the fact that international survivors action committee is working to provide your organization with the information on pathways family center in a expedited fashion. Therefor, I have provided my (information or story) and or included any documents in this email so that it can be forwarded to the appropriate individuals in a timely manner . If you need a snail mail copy of this please let me know and i will be happy to send that.
I just wanted to insure the information was available to you as soon as possiable.

[email protected] (Email Address)

That would be my suggestion if you can not snail mail it.

[Anonymous]

Pathway needs to be exposed

[Anonymous]

Exposed for what?

[METALGOD8]

:smokin:

[Anonymous]

Assuming any of your comments contain any truth, which they do not, how could Pathway be accredited by independent agencies and endorsed by outside organizations?  But then, I gather that in your view, virtually ANY program that provides substance abuse treatment or recovery therapy is essentially worthless and nothing more than a scam to pilfer money.  And any actions against, or treatment for, use of illegal drugs or unauthorized use of controlled substances is just a conspiracy in your opinion? Are there any effective drug treatment programs that you would endorse?

[METALGOD8]

He or She who posts anonymously automatically gets less credit in my book. Not to mention the fact that you apparently have no clue about straight, inc. and what its treatment modality entails. Go to the Pathway Family Center in Southfield MI and tell them you have a drug problem. They will be more than happy to escort you tightly by the arm to front row. After about 20 months or so, they'll let you go.
Just like the former Regional Director for straight, inc told me in person a couple months ago... "What treatment works? I don't know of any that really works" You see... anonymous, not all programs are scams, but Pathway is a direct descendent of straight, inc. which was the epitomy of scams in the drug treatment business.  
Please do some research about the straight, inc./Pathway treatment methods before calling me a liar.
On 2003-02-27 09:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Assuming any of your comments contain any truth, which they do not, how could Pathway be accredited by independent agencies and endorsed by outside organizations?
Well, anonymous, ever hear of "pulling wool over your eyes"  :question:  
MG8 :smokin:

[Anonymous]

Well metalgod8 (like that?s not anonymous), I don?t care about my creditworthiness in your book.  I relate from my personal experiences, as I?m sure you do(except for accusations against programs you have never stepped foot into).  I don?t have all the facts about Straight and other programs named on this BBS.  I don?t need to research Straight because I?m not challenging anything anyone says about Straight.  My knowledge is based on actual experience with Pathway, not any other program.  Therefore, I personally withhold accusations and generalities against any programs that I have no direct experience with.  Yet, your accusations indicate these bad things happen at Pathway.   Accordingly, I challenge your ability to accurately and fairly comment about Pathway without you having done your research.  Pathway has a treatment model that does not involve physical abuse, does not involve locking anyone in rooms, does not involve watching clients use the bathroom, etc., etc.  There is therapy for clients and their parents, since the model recognizes that parents almost always need to make changes also.  Perhaps you should make a visit and see for yourself.

Anyone coming to Pathway seeking help for a drug problem is not automatically admitted.  A clinical assessment determines if a client is appropriate for the program.  Some are found to not need Pathway?s program, and are referred elsewhere by clinical recommendation.  

Help me understand why you place any stock in a quote from a former Straight Regional Director, when you and others on this BBS are so vehement against that program?  Is it because the comment fits your agenda of thinking that basically any treatment program is just a scam?  If so, what do you do when your teenage son or daughter becomes truant, grades decline from A?s to D?s and F?s, breaking & entering becomes a common occurrence, and you have to go to the hospital because your son/daughter overdosed and they need to pump his/her stomach?  Do you do nothing?

I submit that the ?wool is in your eyes? if you allow false statements without factual merit become your accusations against an organization which you yourself have never visited or researched.  Without invalidating your experiences with Straight, I encourage you to look at the real Pathway approach instead of just assuming it is just like all the others.

[2dogs]

"Anonymous" wrote:  
  "If so, what do you do when your teenage son or daughter becomes truant, grades decline from A?s to D?s and F?s, breaking & entering becomes a common occurrence, and you have to go to the hospital because your son/daughter overdosed and they need to pump his/her stomach?"

 Which is it?  his/her?

 Aside from your other agruements which I don't really care about , I will answer this question:  What I would do is face the harder  question which is where have I fail as a parent and what can I do now to try and ammend my mistakes.
   It is so much easier to throw your kid in some shit hole and pretend like you are being cured and working hard , just because you go and yell at other parents twice a week. The fact is that no one can be a better parent to your kid than you ,so if you are no good at it , then your poor kid is already fucked whether or not you waste your money on pathways. Which understandably you have no choice but to defend....  Good luck , Joey

[Anonymous]

ISAC is currently doing a complete investigation and impartial one into Pathways Family Centers and will be issuing their factual findings on their website soon, all backed up by documentation.
ISAC does endorce and approve a variety of drug treatment facilities however, it does not endorce Pathways.

[METALGOD8]

Put Metalgod8 into your search engine and you will get a hit or two. Put anonymous in there and you won't even get a pile of shit. Credibility is important, and yours is severely lacking. Part of the problem with this Pathway place is that it exists. Another part is that I have read the reports from clients who would beg to differ with your accounts of methods such as arm in arm for newcomers, (UH OH, A STRAIGHT, INC. term, privacy issues in the bathrooms, and having the host homes, oops, foster homes, (Another STRAIGHT, INC. term) specially designed for newcomers, ie "babyproofing" etc... Being such a credible witness such as yourself, I am sure that you know all the facts. I challenge you to present some of them right now! What do kids do the first day their parents leave them at Pathway? Can they call their mom and dad that night? Do you know? Are you part of the staff there? Hmm?
If the regional director of the worlds most notorious and criminally abusive drug treatment program, (STRAIGHT, INC.) who also was a director of the Virginia branch, AND the director of the straight foundation for 2 years, says he does not know what works, then that would lead me to think that maybe Pathway, a direct STRAIGHT, INC. descendent program would not work any better than any other program. Do not put words in my mouth. So far, you have done nothing to PROVE me wrong, or anyone else who has made these statements about Pathway and how it is related to STRAIGHT, INC.
As far as my kids go, I can assure you that they will not need to go to a drug treatment program before they are adults. What they choose to do after that time is their choice, and I will be there right along with them to help if needed. I would never do nothing. If you are having problems at home with your kids, then you need to make some adjustments. A lot of problems with treatment programs exist because parents just drop their kids off and expect others to make them better. EEERRRRRRRR. Being responsible is very important, and especially so if you are a parent.
Just because you hand over money to a "treatment" center does not ensure that the kid(s) are going to get better.
Please tell us here, what is so different between Pathway and STRAIGHT, INC? 5 Phases? oops, another blast from the past there.
Until I hear differently, I am still going with the idea that the CEO of Pathway is a former STRAIGHT, INC. parent who is still practicing those principles to this day. Please post some facts, and go ahead and search my screen name, I have no fear of the INTERNET!!!  :smokin:

[Froderik]

Well looks like another one has 'bitten the dust...'
Right on, Metalgod! Don't lose that edge! ::bigsmilebounce::   :lol:



[ This Message was edited by: AlexL on 2003-02-27 19:13 ]

[ramprato]

I would just like to commend Metalgod, Alex, and 2dogs for putting mind rapists that would experiment on our young for a profit in their place. Clearly this anonymous poster is way out of their league when it comes to knowing anything about surviving Straight-like programs and the long-term effects to the human psyche.
 
"He or She who posts anonymously automatically gets less credit in my book."
 
How true that is, they are probably some kind of 'dedicated' parent too selfishly blind to care by now that decisions made now about their kid are inevitably going to catch up with them some day.
 
After all, these kids are going to grow up and they will read about how brainwashing works and how places like PFC operate, it's just a matter of time before the truth comes out and how they were manipulated and tricked by the cult.
 
These cults intentions are to relieve the parent of all guilt and responsibility making their kids the scapegoat for their problems, I guess in their mind it?s the perfect ticket for some, but a super ticket for PFC as it rakes in the $$$$$.
 
What the heck, it's nothing on us, today's straight spin-off parents (aka PFC parents) will be tomorrow?s ones holding the bag when their own kids won't even talk to them at that time.  :tup:

Ken



[ This Message was edited by: ramprato on 2003-02-28 01:21 ]

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[Diane B]

How many Pathways are there and where are they located? There is a pathways about 8 miles from my house I always assumed it was an adult place I could be wrong. Is this one in Annapolis Maryland connected to the pathways That you guys are talking about?

Diane

[METALGOD8]

Diane, Michigan and Indiana Pathway Family Center locations are the only two in question at this time. It wouldn't hurt to do some checking, if you are so inclined. I am sure that there are other programs out there too, like the one in Ohio that used to be STRAIGHT, INC.  :smokin: