Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
my expierience
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Antigen's Ghost"" ---Ok, leme try and crank this up a few notches.
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Hyde has been in the business of delivering a product "Character Education" for forty years. In all those years their has never never never been any attempt to quantify the result. Establish a metric, a set of metrics and track graduates through their adulthood. There is nothing to substantiate any of their claims except anecdotal evidence in the form of graduate/parent testimonials. These are no more believable then the testimony of shills at a medicine show.
Why has this not been done?
1) they are too stupid or lazy
2) they really _are_ that venal and it is all about the money
Pick one
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3) Hyde is part of a government subsidized long term program along with the Seed/Straight, the CEDU programs, Elan, Phoenix House, Bob Mehan's programs and those creepy Kentucky and Tennessee and Florida prison and JDC programs. It's very well documented, tweaked and adjusted over the years, extremely effective in it's aims. Just that neither we nor the program operators are privy to the objectives or the data.
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I have a jukebox in my mind and I am hearing Camper Van Beethoven song: "this here is a government experiment."
I would add the "i" to your regex so you will match Coercion.
if ($_ ~= /coercion/i)
{
print("fuck off n");
return undef;
}
Larry Wall
Antigen:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" --- I have a jukebox in my mind and I am hearing Camper Van Beethoven song: "this here is a government experiment."
I would add the "i" to your regex so you will match Coercion.
if ($_ ~= /coercion/i)
{
print("fuck off n");
return undef;
}
Larry Wall
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Really? I wonder if I have that one.
Shit, fuck! Wandering i? Oh well, I'll go fix that shortly.
Antigen:
--- Quote from: ""Ursus"" ---
OOOOOooooo... government conspiracy! Love it. And yes, much of this would fall under that. Kind of like what was going on in the 60's vis-a-vis the Vietnam War. But I think consideration of that is probably beyond what most of us are dealing with here at the moment.
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Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn?t mean politics won?t take an interest in you!
- Pericles (430 B.C.)
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Hyde has been in the business of delivering a product "Character Education" for forty years. In all those years their has never never never been any attempt to quantify the result. Establish a metric, a set of metrics and track graduates through their adulthood. There is nothing to substantiate any of their claims except anecdotal evidence in the form of graduate/parent testimonials. These are no more believable then the testimony of shills at a medicine show.
Why has this not been done?
1) they are too stupid or lazy
2) they really _are_ that venal and it is all about the money
Pick one
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I think you're right. Hyde's data and evidence are very thin indeed. They offer lots of anecdotal claims about their successes but few hard numbers. Here are the questions Hyde should be confronted with and expected to answer:
1. What percentage of students who apply to Hyde are accepted?
2. How many students enroll in each grade, 9 through 12?
3. What percentage of students who enroll in 9th grade actually graduate from Hyde? 10th grade? 11th grade? 12th grade? That is, what percentage of students leave Hyde without graduating?
4. What percentage of Hyde graduates (a) enroll in college, and (b) graduate from college? How do these percentages compare with national figures?
5. When Hyde publicizes parent satisfaction data, who do they include in the sample? Do they include parents who enrolled at Hyde but left, or only those who lasted through graduation (who, obviously, are the people most likely to be satisfied with Hyde)? Does Hyde stack the deck by including only those who stay at Hyde until the end, or do they include everyone who enrolled? How honest is Hyde about the data they report?
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Bill: It seems clear that several of us who are posting here would love to hear the answers to the above questions. Here's my request: Would you please share these questions with Hyde administrators and let us know the answers? If they're willing to give you accurate responses, that would be great.
However, if Hyde's administrators are not willing to give you this information, I hope you will ask them why. Also, I hope you will report here on whichever response you get.
Hyde claims to believe in truth. Let's see if they're willing to honor that principle.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Hyde has been in the business of delivering a product "Character Education" for forty years. In all those years their has never never never been any attempt to quantify the result. Establish a metric, a set of metrics and track graduates through their adulthood. There is nothing to substantiate any of their claims except anecdotal evidence in the form of graduate/parent testimonials. These are no more believable then the testimony of shills at a medicine show.
Why has this not been done?
1) they are too stupid or lazy
2) they really _are_ that venal and it is all about the money
Pick one
--- End quote ---
All of the above. And more. Cults need money to survive. It's a shill game and an AmWay/Landmark Ed/Lifespring processing plant under the nebulous rubric of "character education." Fine words, no connection to the reality of it. And all too many lives damaged, destroyed, and perhaps even lost, along the way.
Sure, some people actually think it helped them. If every single Moonie or est graduate or Ramtha fanatic was unhappy with their lot, these operations would no longer be sucking in the bucks. And, as anyone with even a smidgen of understanding of statistics knows, if you've got an exam with a-b-c option answers, and you just check the same box for each, you'll be scoring 33%. Seems to me, Hyde scores far lower than that.
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