Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
my expierience
Anonymous:
And what of the students who are forced to leave, despite being willing to be tortured some more? Is getting rid of the undesirables Hyde's way of trying to stack the stats in their favor?
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Hyde has been in the business of delivering a product "Character Education" for forty years. In all those years their has never never never been any attempt to quantify the result. Establish a metric, a set of metrics and track graduates through their adulthood. There is nothing to substantiate any of their claims except anecdotal evidence in the form of graduate/parent testimonials. These are no more believable then the testimony of shills at a medicine show.
Why has this not been done?
1) they are too stupid or lazy
2) they really _are_ that venal and it is all about the money
Pick one
--- End quote ---
I think you're right. Hyde's data and evidence are very thin indeed. They offer lots of anecdotal claims about their successes but few hard numbers. Here are the questions Hyde should be confronted with and expected to answer:
1. What percentage of students who apply to Hyde are accepted?
2. How many students enroll in each grade, 9 through 12?
3. What percentage of students who enroll in 9th grade actually graduate from Hyde? 10th grade? 11th grade? 12th grade? That is, what percentage of students leave Hyde without graduating?
4. What percentage of Hyde graduates (a) enroll in college, and (b) graduate from college? How do these percentages compare with national figures?
5. When Hyde publicizes parent satisfaction data, who do they include in the sample? Do they include parents who enrolled at Hyde but left, or only those who lasted through graduation (who, obviously, are the people most likely to be satisfied with Hyde)? Does Hyde stack the deck by including only those who stay at Hyde until the end, or do they include everyone who enrolled? How honest is Hyde about the data they report?
--- End quote ---
This is one of the best posts I have seen. On another post Billy Procida says that no school is going to post the negative. This is true Billy, but it is one thing not to post negatives and another thing to lie on your PR material in order to entice families to join!
I think that many of us would stop questioning Hyde if they would simply answer the above questions. How can you stand for truth in one sense and not in another? Read this post carefully Billy and then ask these questions to your Superiors. Guarantee you they will not answer them. Why? Because the truth would not set them free, it would put them out of business!!!@!@!@!!@!!!
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Hyde has been in the business of delivering a product "Character Education" for forty years. In all those years their has never never never been any attempt to quantify the result. Establish a metric, a set of metrics and track graduates through their adulthood. There is nothing to substantiate any of their claims except anecdotal evidence in the form of graduate/parent testimonials. These are no more believable then the testimony of shills at a medicine show.
Why has this not been done?
1) they are too stupid or lazy
2) they really _are_ that venal and it is all about the money
Pick one
--- End quote ---
I think you're right. Hyde's data and evidence are very thin indeed. They offer lots of anecdotal claims about their successes but few hard numbers. Here are the questions Hyde should be confronted with and expected to answer:
1. What percentage of students who apply to Hyde are accepted?
2. How many students enroll in each grade, 9 through 12?
3. What percentage of students who enroll in 9th grade actually graduate from Hyde? 10th grade? 11th grade? 12th grade? That is, what percentage of students leave Hyde without graduating?
4. What percentage of Hyde graduates (a) enroll in college, and (b) graduate from college? How do these percentages compare with national figures?
5. When Hyde publicizes parent satisfaction data, who do they include in the sample? Do they include parents who enrolled at Hyde but left, or only those who lasted through graduation (who, obviously, are the people most likely to be satisfied with Hyde)? Does Hyde stack the deck by including only those who stay at Hyde until the end, or do they include everyone who enrolled? How honest is Hyde about the data they report?
--- End quote ---
Bill: It seems clear that several of us who are posting here would love to hear the answers to the above questions. Here's my request: Would you please share these questions with Hyde administrators and let us know the answers? If they're willing to give you accurate responses, that would be great.
However, if Hyde's administrators are not willing to give you this information, I hope you will ask them why. Also, I hope you will report here on whichever response you get.
Hyde claims to believe in truth. Let's see if they're willing to honor that principle.
Antigen:
Ok, leme try and crank this up a few notches.
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Hyde has been in the business of delivering a product "Character Education" for forty years. In all those years their has never never never been any attempt to quantify the result. Establish a metric, a set of metrics and track graduates through their adulthood. There is nothing to substantiate any of their claims except anecdotal evidence in the form of graduate/parent testimonials. These are no more believable then the testimony of shills at a medicine show.
Why has this not been done?
1) they are too stupid or lazy
2) they really _are_ that venal and it is all about the money
Pick one
--- End quote ---
3) Hyde is part of a government subsidized long term program along with the Seed/Straight, the CEDU programs, Elan, Phoenix House, Bob Mehan's programs and those creepy Kentucky and Tennessee and Florida prison and JDC programs. It's very well documented, tweaked and adjusted over the years, extremely effective in it's aims. Just that neither we nor the program operators are privy to the objectives or the data.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""Antigen's Ghost"" ---Ok, leme try and crank this up a few notches.
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Hyde has been in the business of delivering a product "Character Education" for forty years. In all those years their has never never never been any attempt to quantify the result. Establish a metric, a set of metrics and track graduates through their adulthood. There is nothing to substantiate any of their claims except anecdotal evidence in the form of graduate/parent testimonials. These are no more believable then the testimony of shills at a medicine show.
Why has this not been done?
1) they are too stupid or lazy
2) they really _are_ that venal and it is all about the money
Pick one
--- End quote ---
3) Hyde is part of a government subsidized long term program along with the Seed/Straight, the CEDU programs, Elan, Phoenix House, Bob Mehan's programs and those creepy Kentucky and Tennessee and Florida prison and JDC programs. It's very well documented, tweaked and adjusted over the years, extremely effective in it's aims. Just that neither we nor the program operators are privy to the objectives or the data.
--- End quote ---
OOOOOooooo... government conspiracy! Love it. And yes, much of this would fall under that. Kind of like what was going on in the 60's vis-a-vis the Vietnam War. But I think consideration of that is probably beyond what most of us are dealing with here at the moment.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version