Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
my expierience
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Ursus"" ---In all seriousness, I could not agree more. I don't wish to pick on Billy per se, he seems like a good sort, but he has chosen to put himself out there. And the blinders are simply unbelievable.
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Hey, I had blinders on too and I was not in my teens like Bill. I was a parent with my head in the sand! It can happen especially when you are a desperate parent trying to help your child.
Hyde is pitiful. The one good thing that came out of my Hyde experience is the desire to help at risk kids. I am involved in a program in the NY schools. We give support to these kids in the right manner, not with scare tactics and punishments. It is done with love and support. Hyde is not the only program that needs to be shut down. There are lots of programs like Hyde that need to be regulated. It is very dangerous to send your kid to a program or school that isn't regulated by the department of education. Whether it be a wilderness program, a "character based" school, a therapuetic boarding school, etc, we need to protect our children!
Ursus:
I appreciate your comment. When I was Bill's age, I had blinders on too. And the comment could have been expanded to include not only thick neck, but thick head too, as applied to me. Maybe if someone had cared enough or bothered enough to make that comment to me, I might have woken up sooner. Who knows...
--- Quote from: ""guest"" ---Hyde is not the only program that needs to be shut down. There are lots of programs like Hyde that need to be regulated. It is very dangerous to send your kid to a program or school that isn't regulated by the department of education. Whether it be a wilderness program, a "character based" school, a therapuetic boarding school, etc, we need to protect our children!
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The problem with these types of places is the premise that thought coercion and behavior modification works and is to the benefit of the child. Notice that so-called followup studies always evaluate after 2 months or so and then a year, never more than that. It is later that the shit really hits the fan. Nobody appreciates having their mind fucked with and there is understandably a certain and expected amount of rage that erupts as a backlash to that. It is an undeniable assault to the dignity and the autonomy of the human spirit. You can not disrespect a kid more than that.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Ursus"" ---I appreciate your comment. When I was Bill's age, I had blinders on too. And the comment could have been expanded to include not only thick neck, but thick head too, as applied to me. Maybe if someone had cared enough or bothered enough to make that comment to me, I might have woken up sooner. Who knows...
--- Quote from: ""guest"" ---Hyde is not the only program that needs to be shut down. There are lots of programs like Hyde that need to be regulated. It is very dangerous to send your kid to a program or school that isn't regulated by the department of education. Whether it be a wilderness program, a "character based" school, a therapuetic boarding school, etc, we need to protect our children!
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The problem with these types of places is the premise that thought coercion and behavior modification works and is to the benefit of the child. Notice that so-called followup studies always evaluate after 2 months or so and then a year, never more than that. It is later that the shit really hits the fan. Nobody appreciates having their mind fucked with and there is understandably a certain and expected amount of rage that erupts as a backlash to that. It is an undeniable assault to the dignity and the autonomy of the human spirit. You can not disrespect a kid more than that.
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On that same note, I spoke to someone on Fornits whose brother committed suicide at the age of 18 after one of these programs broke him down to nothing. They did not succeed in building him back up and was found out to be bi polar. Without the proper medical help, (which hyde does not provide either) he couldn't deal with life and killed himself. This destroyed not only his life, but the life of everyone around him. If we could continue to get the word out there, maybe we can save some lives.
Don't give up. Keep posting and keep getting others to come to this board. Write your stories and send them to the NEASC as well as the school boards where Hyde has Charter Schools. Let them know of the "character" behind the administration of Hyde. Let's make a difference!
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Ursus"" ---I appreciate your comment. When I was Bill's age, I had blinders on too. And the comment could have been expanded to include not only thick neck, but thick head too, as applied to me. Maybe if someone had cared enough or bothered enough to make that comment to me, I might have woken up sooner. Who knows...
--- Quote from: ""guest"" ---Hyde is not the only program that needs to be shut down. There are lots of programs like Hyde that need to be regulated. It is very dangerous to send your kid to a program or school that isn't regulated by the department of education. Whether it be a wilderness program, a "character based" school, a therapuetic boarding school, etc, we need to protect our children!
--- End quote ---
The problem with these types of places is the premise that thought coercion and behavior modification works and is to the benefit of the child. Notice that so-called followup studies always evaluate after 2 months or so and then a year, never more than that. It is later that the shit really hits the fan. Nobody appreciates having their mind fucked with and there is understandably a certain and expected amount of rage that erupts as a backlash to that. It is an undeniable assault to the dignity and the autonomy of the human spirit. You can not disrespect a kid more than that.
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I found the following quote on the ISACCORP website. Really bizarre!! It was written by Joe Gauld the founder of Hyde Schools.
Since kids - and their parents have been far more immersed in this counter growth culture than has Hyde, Hyde can be far more objective about how to best address the true growth needs of kids. And given the limited time available, Hyde insists on being the final judge on growth issues. We are in a better position than parents to determine a students true best, and further we consider our commitment to help each student realize that best a sacred trust.
Ursus:
Okay... ... this needs to be done at some point... Here's the entire treatise. All punctuation and grammar are entirely his, I was meticulous.
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"Isn't Hyde Ever Wrong?"
A Hyde parent, upset with a Hyde decision, asks, "Isn't Hyde ever wrong?"
Of course Hyde is sometimes wrong. It is a human institution that requires the constant vigil of students, teachers and parents alike. In fact, Hyde is merely a temporary scaffolding that must be dismantled by graduation, to ensure the student is led in life by conscience and not Hyde--or even parents. If we both "let go" properly, we should be confident that conscience will only take from Hyde--and parents--what it deems worthy.
However, I think the question implies that maybe the parent and not Hyde knows better about a given situation. Maybe so, but that is dangerous ground that can ultimately lead to students dismissing all of Hyde, both bad--and good. This question simply does not respect the role Hyde is supposed to play in the family structure.
The caterpillar depends upon nature's cocoon to become a butterfly. Similarly, a child must depend upon our human cocoon to be transformed from its initial animal self into a higher human self. And the true quality of an individual's transformation is determined during childhood-adolescence; seldom if ever do we make major change in ourselves later.
Since society is presently very ignorant about this powerful truth about human growth, the human cocoons we are constructing around our children are sloppy and porous, and often compromise a child's best growth:
* Society does not realize the depth of a child's animal instincts of self-gratification and subjective fears and desires, and thus doesn't fully help the child transcend them;
* Families don't recognize their incredibly interwoven nature and how much family dynamics can compromise a child's best growth;
* Societal and family ignorance have created a huge and powerful youth culture that reaffirms children's animal instincts and resists their human transcendence.Hyde generally deals with kids who have been unusually influenced by those three factors, and, unfortunately, at a late point in their adolescent gestation period. So to counter this, Hyde creates a very intensive growth cocoon focused on character development that seeks to help students: 1) transcend their animal instincts; 2) combat negative family dynamics, and 3) create a new youth culture committed to each student's best.
Since kids--and their parents--have been far more immersed in this counter growth culture than has Hyde, Hyde can be far more objective about how to best address the true growth needs of kids. And given the limited time available, Hyde insists on being the final judge on growth issues. We are in a better position than parents to determine a student's true best, and further we consider our commitment to help each student realize that best a sacred trust.
So--Yes, we may be wrong, and thus we appreciate all the input we can get. However in the end, we urge parents that until graduation to defer to Hyde's judgment, not their own. To instead accept their own judgment becomes a clear statement to their children that the Hyde experience is simply an add-on to old family dynamics, and not a new beginning for the entire family.
If you are wise, you don't second-guess your doctor; you simply find another doctor. Similarly, question Hyde, but don't second-guess it, simply find another school.
Remember that Hyde is a temporary scaffolding, to be dismantled at graduation. But if you hope to help your kids internalize Hyde concepts and to develop a life-time strategy to fully make their human transformation, make sure that your leadership fully respects that scaffolding as well.
— Joe Gauld 2/27/02
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