Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > PURE Bullshit and CAICA
SUE SCHEFF and ISABELLE ZENDHER (PURE, CAICA, WWASP lawsuit)
Anonymous:
CAICA knows the importance of warning parents against abusive programs. We also realize parents need options. Though we do not provide referrals, we do offer our recommendation to contact
P.U.R.E.*, as they give parents safe options and offer help:
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Is this a joke? We (meaning Isabelle) do not provide referrals, just recommendations to a website called PURE that IS in the referral business.
Re: Teen Revitalization (Also a Referral Website)
Mr. Bundy fails to provide names of the facilities he promotes.
http://www.caica.org/Teen%20revitalization.htm
Is Isabelle aware that the same can be said for Sue Scheff of PURE who also fails to provide the names of the facilities she refers to?
:roll:
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---CCM girl and others: Can't you see that the comments below are from ISABELLE ZENDHER, the "other" Sue Scheff? Isabelle, the great CA-CA is on Fornits every single day of her invisible and sorry life.
"CCM Girl, rather than spending all this time trying to figure out the players on Fornits, why not get proactive in trying to make a difference. I don't mean that in any bad way, but there is so much that can be done with the precious little time we all have. You can write letters to legislators, Try speaking to groups in your area, educate as many people as you can, let parents know the danger of sending their kids away. Spending so much time on Fornits, frankly, can?t be mentally healthy for anyone. I know it?s not for me and I come here to look for news, etc., that?s it. Getting involved with the handful of people who spend most of their time hurting others, just doesn?t seem productive to me. Just a thought.
I ony address this to you, CCM girl, because you make sense and seem very bright. I think you have the ability to make a difference. Please, remember there are two sides to every story and you will hear only one side here on Fornits."
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---CAICA knows the importance of warning parents against abusive programs. We also realize parents need options. Though we do not provide referrals, we do offer our recommendation to contact
P.U.R.E.*, as they give parents safe options and offer help:
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Is this a joke? We (meaning Isabelle) do not provide referrals, just recommendations to a website called PURE that IS in the referral business.
Re: Teen Revitalization (Also a Referral Website)
Mr. Bundy fails to provide names of the facilities he promotes.
http://www.caica.org/Teen%20revitalization.htm
Is Isabelle aware that the same can be said for Sue Scheff of PURE who also fails to provide the names of the facilities she refers to?
:roll:
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Dead on! :tup: :tup:
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989"" ---
The only program I know of that has criminal charges being brought against them is Whitmore. The one Cheryl Sudweeks owned. I do realize that Scheff reffered parents there. I do also realize that Scheff refers to other programs too. I'm not sure how many of those are concidered "abusive"?.
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Why would Sue continue to refer to Whitmore even after these allegations of abuse came out? Even after criminal charges were filed?
Sue is a greedy attention whore. Izzy is just an attention whore. Don't know if she gets any financial gain from it or just the high of being a 'savior'.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---CAICA knows the importance of warning parents against abusive programs. We also realize parents need options. Though we do not provide referrals, we do offer our recommendation to contact
P.U.R.E.*, as they give parents safe options and offer help:
----------------------------------------
Is this a joke? We (meaning Isabelle) do not provide referrals, just recommendations to a website called PURE that IS in the referral business.
Re: Teen Revitalization (Also a Referral Website)
Mr. Bundy fails to provide names of the facilities he promotes.
http://www.caica.org/Teen%20revitalization.htm
Is Isabelle aware that the same can be said for Sue Scheff of PURE who also fails to provide the names of the facilities she refers to?
:roll:
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The bottom line is theyre peddling programs to parents.
Lesse, why is this... fallacious and bullshit?
* PROGRAMS DO NOT PROVIDE THERAPY!
* What programs DO provide is mind control, behavior modification, or brainwashing - whatever you call it, thats what it is. Its not about therapy, or fixing problems, its about breaking them down, making them think differently, and believe in the new-agey bullshit shoved down their throat and forced self disclosure to everyone, all the time, and regression-based ''experiences" and "epiphanies" (an emotional effect, or a pathological one... again, take your pick) so they come out acting like stepford kids, do as told, and 'relate' and 'spill the beans' to everyone on request.
* The abuse and emotional scarring from that process, plus deprogramming, is just another problem to get treatment for, in addition to any they had in the first place
* The isolation from the outside world fucks them up. Im sick of spelling out and enumerating the same old thing... read the same shit I have and figure it out for yourself, youve got a brain, USE IT!
* Last but not least, theyre isolated from their family, and the programs bullshit given to the parents about what they should expect from a child, and their abdication of responsibility, makes them quite a bit more disfunctional than they were in the first place, or disfunctional in the first place if they werent, but just a fool to send their kid to a program.
A program is a program, its not therapy. Therapy isnt pushed upon kids who dont need it, yet programs take any kids with paying parents. Programs dont give therapy anyway, and most say so in fine print or when pushed on the issue... or make you buy it seperately like some WWASPS programs. Its about control, and regression, and 'brainwashing' to be vulgar, not about healing or fixing anything.
And, well, a great dumping ground for hysterical parents or someone wanting to ditch their kids, who has sufficient money.
The really funny thing is that if you 'fix a program' you end up with something we already have, thats not a program at all... TREATMENT and THERAPY for people who need it, not those who do not, and its only lock-in as long as is absolutely necessary for the childs safety, not becuase a program, parent, or some idiot staffer said so, without isolation from the outside world, captivity, or abuse.
AKA, a fucking mental hospital.
-Niles. And Im sick of my cookies fucking up so I just dont bother... you all can tell how I write anyway.
Dr Phil:
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The really funny thing is that if you 'fix a program' you end up with something we already have, thats not a program at all... TREATMENT and THERAPY for people who need it, not those who do not, and its only lock-in as long as is absolutely necessary for the childs safety, not becuase a program, parent, or some idiot staffer said so, without isolation from the outside world, captivity, or abuse.
AKA, a fucking mental hospital.
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A parent can manipulate their child into a mental hospital pretty easily too, it happened to me. My parent called the cops and said I kept talking about suicide, which wasn't true, and they handcuffed me and took me to county mental health lockup, after a couple days I was transfered to another lockdown mental hospital for adolescents and spent a couple weeks there against my will. Isolation, captivity and abuse happen in psychiatric hospitals as well, and they pump you full of drugs as well, which I now consider a form of abuse (giving anti-psychotics to teenagers just to calm them down, this is chemical restraint). I've been in isolation cells in psychiatric hospitals as well as programs. The only difference between psychiatric lockdowns and programs is you have access to advocacy while in psychiatric hospital. But it's pretty limited, and it's definitely not a safe haven against abuse or anything like that. Any lockdown situation where a kid doesn't want to be there is going to get ugly, IMO. In my own experience, I would choose a psychiatric hospital over a program anyday of thee week... but honestly if I had a kid I would desperately avoid both...after having experienced and witnessed it myself.
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