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SUE SCHEFF and ISABELLE ZENDHER (PURE, CAICA, WWASP lawsuit)
Dr Phil:
Thanks for that powerful post, it's nice to hear other people's stories. I don't have a political goal in posting here, I am not on a mission other than to share my own experiences and hear from others with a similar interest... probably not by their own choice. So thanks for sharing, I enjoy that type of post much more than the broad based political discussions.
I wonder a lot about whether the problem really is programs, or that of our parents. Afterall, with enough money, I could get someone to do anything I want, from murder to sexual deviant acts to whatever. But who is truly the source of evil in a situation when one party is simply paying the other for services rendered. Are our parents negligent for not checking up on what they were paying for? Can we really just accept the fact they say they were duped and didn't know, but simultaneously took zero effort in checking up on us? I think sometimes I want to project all my anger on 'programs' but in fact a lot of that anger is really directed at my parents.
The fact that there are people out there wiling to abuse kids for large sums of money is not what shocked me about the whole experience. I had seen that stuff before. What shocked me is that I could write a letter home to my parent telling them what was going on, how I was being mistreated, and have them write back in a program tone completely dismissing me. Like you said, abandonment, that was something that I was familiar with before in my childhood, but not to the extreme of being locked away in a program incommunicado. At least prisoners can write letters to their lawyer, their congressman, the pope. All we could write to was our parents, begging them to take us home. Pleading for an explanation as to why we are locked up at this god-awful place. And most of all, wondering why they won't believe us/check up on us. To be willingly forgotten is not a good feeling.
That is why I wonder who is at fault here. Programs and business opportunists and profiteers, the minimum-wage receiving family father, or our parents... for selling us down the river? I haven't figured this out for myself yet.
I suppose this could be considered the old 'chicken and egg argument', and now they feed each other. I feel the same way you do, it's disheartening to believe things are going to change for the better, and in only a few years WWASP has expanded with several new facilities instead.
I feel like we spend a lot of my time screaming at these families walking towards a cliff, completely unbeknownst to them, and not only do they ignore our warnings but hurl insults right back. Shortly before plunging down... to a place they had no idea even existed.
I guess there is one plus, a constant stream of new posters at fornits! :lol: :roll: :cry:
Sometimes I feel a lot like this guy:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4130733905
But other times I feel like this guy.. so who knows!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1558581805
Anonymous:
CCM girl and others: Can't you see that the comments below are from ISABELLE ZENDHER, the "other" Sue Scheff? Isabelle, the great CA-CA is on Fornits every single day of her invisible and sorry life.
"CCM Girl, rather than spending all this time trying to figure out the players on Fornits, why not get proactive in trying to make a difference. I don't mean that in any bad way, but there is so much that can be done with the precious little time we all have. You can write letters to legislators, Try speaking to groups in your area, educate as many people as you can, let parents know the danger of sending their kids away. Spending so much time on Fornits, frankly, can?t be mentally healthy for anyone. I know it?s not for me and I come here to look for news, etc., that?s it. Getting involved with the handful of people who spend most of their time hurting others, just doesn?t seem productive to me. Just a thought.
I ony address this to you, CCM girl, because you make sense and seem very bright. I think you have the ability to make a difference. Please, remember there are two sides to every story and you will hear only one side here on Fornits."
Anonymous:
Ginger, cant ya see im the most loved person on your fornits forum. get me my own place. I demand it NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Guest of a Guest wrote:
Hey Ginger we need you to help us. you can see there is great support for Sues own forum. Can you help us out here ginger?
Just do it"
yea,come on Ginger. The SUE SCHEFF and P.U.R.E. Show?
Your not afraid im gonna sue you again are you? Cause that woundnt be right. I forgive you for screwing with my head.
Nihilie will run the show. Just set er up and let er rip Ginger![/b]
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""OutlawHorseEater"" ---Thanks for that powerful post, it's nice to hear other people's stories. I don't have a political goal in posting here, I am not on a mission other than to share my own experiences and hear from others with a similar interest... probably not by their own choice. So thanks for sharing, I enjoy that type of post much more than the broad based political discussions.
I wonder a lot about whether the problem really is programs, or that of our parents. Afterall, with enough money, I could get someone to do anything I want, from murder to sexual deviant acts to whatever. But who is truly the source of evil in a situation when one party is simply paying the other for services rendered. Are our parents negligent for not checking up on what they were paying for? Can we really just accept the fact they say they were duped and didn't know, but simultaneously took zero effort in checking up on us? I think sometimes I want to project all my anger on 'programs' but in fact a lot of that anger is really directed at my parents.
The fact that there are people out there wiling to abuse kids for large sums of money is not what shocked me about the whole experience. I had seen that stuff before. What shocked me is that I could write a letter home to my parent telling them what was going on, how I was being mistreated, and have them write back in a program tone completely dismissing me. Like you said, abandonment, that was something that I was familiar with before in my childhood, but not to the extreme of being locked away in a program incommunicado. At least prisoners can write letters to their lawyer, their congressman, the pope. All we could write to was our parents, begging them to take us home. Pleading for an explanation as to why we are locked up at this god-awful place. And most of all, wondering why they won't believe us/check up on us. To be willingly forgotten is not a good feeling.
That is why I wonder who is at fault here. Programs and business opportunists and profiteers, the minimum-wage receiving family father, or our parents... for selling us down the river? I haven't figured this out for myself yet.
I suppose this could be considered the old 'chicken and egg argument', and now they feed each other. I feel the same way you do, it's disheartening to believe things are going to change for the better, and in only a few years WWASP has expanded with several new facilities instead.
I feel like we spend a lot of my time screaming at these families walking towards a cliff, completely unbeknownst to them, and not only do they ignore our warnings but hurl insults right back. Shortly before plunging down... to a place they had no idea even existed.
I guess there is one plus, a constant stream of new posters at fornits! :lol: :roll: :cry:
Sometimes I feel a lot like this guy:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4130733905
But other times I feel like this guy.. so who knows!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1558581805
--- End quote ---
My name is Sous Chef and I approve of this message.
::nod::
Dr Phil:
:-?
Yes, I went there.
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