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« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2006, 08:32:00 PM »
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On 2006-06-22 17:26:00, PFRR wrote:


"You see if ASR was appropriatly licensed or even had a shred of knowledge reading the kids mail from the parents, allowing phone calls to and from parents only 1x a week if even (I have heard otherwise) is a violation of their civil rights.  Yes they can open the envelope to see if their is contraband or such, due to health, welfare, and safety, but reading it.  Hmmm sounds like the Protection and Advocacy Agency needs to get a call from me about this.  And as far as them being able to walk out anytime and go to the Police Station hmm I wonder how often the PD is called there, sounds like a call to the Chief may be in order..."



When we would try and report abuses the police would laugh at us, tell us we deserved whatever we got because we had caused our parents so many problems and would promptly 'escort' us back to the program.

Even if that had not been the case, the intense scrutiny, pressure and fear tactics keep most kids silent until they feel its safe.
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« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2006, 09:05:00 PM »
I highly encourage you all to call whomever you choose, research ASRs standards, call the policy, etc.  I would too, if I was considering sending my child away from home.  

But let me assure you, that we would have been shut down years ago if we were doing anything illegal.
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« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2006, 09:08:00 PM »
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On 2006-06-22 15:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I talk to a lot of former students, some who are doing great, many who are in college to study psychology, and some who are not doing so well.  A lot of kids go back into substance abuse.

Guess that blows the stats huh?


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Some kids cannot seem to heal their relationships with their families, and still experience pretty severe loneliness.

Shocked, I'm SHOCKED I tell you!!!  I wonder why on earth they would feel that way? :roll:  :roll:

 
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We hear a lot of stories about other kids through the kids who do stay in contact.  Many of them go to the same schools after ASR-  Dublin, White Mountain, etc. and stay in touch.  Some kids totally bomb, but I would say that most take about a year to test themselves and then seem to look back with appreciation of what they accomplished at ASR.  


And who's to say this isn't due to just growing up?  Just think how much faster they'd have been able to get there if you hadn't fucked with 'em.
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« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2006, 09:13:00 PM »
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On 2006-06-22 18:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I highly encourage you all to call whomever you choose, research ASRs standards, call the policy, etc.  I would too, if I was considering sending my child away from home.  



But let me assure you, that we would have been shut down years ago if we were doing anything illegal."


That's a load of shit.  Programs stay open all the time, even when there have been deaths.  There were reports, credible ones, of abuse at the place I was for over a decade and nothing was done.  It took an even more extreme set of circumstances for anyone to do anything.  Even then it wasn't the authorities shutting them down, they closed because of so much bad press from former clients getting out and talking.

The best place for your child is at home.  Period.
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« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2006, 11:21:00 PM »
***But let me assure you, that we would have been shut down years ago if we were doing anything illegal.

Who would know? And who would shut them down? They aren't licensed. The state licensing authority can't even enter the property of a private corp.

I didn't get a satisfactory response for why ASR has refused to be licensed and monitored by the state. Why would you avoid state oversight?

You gave all the particulars regarding accreditation. So the academic aspect is montiored. No one's is monitoring the therapeutic aspect.

You mentioned that you report accidents, injuries, assaults to the appropriate entities. Who are they? What do they do with that information? Is it available to prospective parents?
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« Reply #50 on: June 23, 2006, 08:56:00 AM »
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On 2006-06-22 20:21:00, Deborah wrote:

"***But let me assure you, that we would have been shut down years ago if we were doing anything illegal.



Who would know? And who would shut them down? They aren't licensed. The state licensing authority can't even enter the property of a private corp.



I didn't get a satisfactory response for why ASR has refused to be licensed and monitored by the state. Why would you avoid state oversight?



You gave all the particulars regarding accreditation. So the academic aspect is montiored. No one's is monitoring the therapeutic aspect.



You mentioned that you report accidents, injuries, assaults to the appropriate entities. Who are they? What do they do with that information? Is it available to prospective parents?"


the question 'why would you avoid state oversight' might be reconsidered as i cant imagine any organization wanting another unnecessary and possibly contradictory/conflicting regulation and review if they dont have to.  especially if you dont see it doing any good
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« Reply #51 on: June 23, 2006, 09:18:00 AM »
That's understandable. Who wants a government agency breathing down their neck. Prohibiting you from censoring mail and phone calls, etc, etc.

No illusion, state oversight provides a minimum of protection, at best.

I imagine that parents "assume" that programs are monitored by the state. What facility that warehouses kids 24/7/365 isn't regulated? When they proclaim to be accredited a parent can misconsrue this to mean regulation.

It's fraud plain and simple to lie about services provided to avoid such regulation.

Until programs are regulated we will not have accurate data on deaths, injuries, assaults, sexual inpropriaties, etc.
It is what's best for the kids.
Can you show otherwise? How state oversight would not be in the kids best interest?
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« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2006, 09:29:00 AM »
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Why would you avoid state oversight?


Deborah, no one wants others to come in and audit their systems or try to tell them what to do.  I don?t know of any families that call DSS to come visit them on a monthly basis to check things out or Corporations inviting OSHA in to visit.  It?s a pain in the butt, they need to schedule people to escort them around, file paperwork, take them out to lunch and with DSS it is time you could be spending with your family, take time off work etc..  Most feel there is no value added.  Everyone feels, probable yourself included,  they are dong the best job possible and don?t value oversight.

The individual states need to do the work and enforce oversight, you cant blame the schools for this.
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« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2006, 10:12:00 AM »
Most feel there is no value added.  Everyone feels, probable yourself included,  they are dong the best job possible and don?t value oversight.



The individual states need to do the work and enforce oversight, you cant blame the schools for this.

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But is should not be about whether the schools or for profit compnies see it as adding value to the business. If the business is about the health safety and welfare of kids then this is what should come first. The only way to completely hold any company accoutable, particularly when there is a high volume of casualties is for some kids of adequately enforceable independent oversite.To say 'oh but the companies dont like it" is like saying "oh but my 6 year old does not like eating vegetables so I dont make her"
If the industry was serious about being able to prove its accoutability for parents its major players would be willing to submit to regulations and even actively help to make drafting suggestions, regardless of whether it added financial value to the industry because it would be willing to show an active comittment to the kids it is supposed to serve.
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« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2006, 10:33:00 AM »
http://old.valleyadvocate.com/articles/swiftriver.html

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In other cases, however, such programs may load additional stresses onto an already struggling young psyche.

That's what Dean Kent feels is happening far too often at ASR. Kent, a former employee of the school, is so concerned about the treatment of students at the academy that he has gone public with his fears, drawing the attention of the state Office of Child Care Services.

The state started looking closely at the school several months ago after Kent spoke out about things he'd seen and heard while working there. As a cook at ASR last year, Kent grew increasingly disturbed by the way the staff treated students: viewing them as manipulative and untrustworthy, shouting obscenities at them during so-called "communications sessions," holding all-night group therapy meetings that students seemed to dread, and severely restricting their communication with the outside world. And he saw bored students who seemed to be growing increasingly unhappy and agitated.

Eventually his concern turned to fear -- fear that the use of sleep deprivation, forced work and tough wilderness outings as behavior-modification tools amounted to emotional and physical abuse.

Other things worried Kent too. He noticed that the students were not allowed to make telephone calls, even calls to their parents, without a staff member listening, and that their incoming and outgoing mail was read. After he learned that a boy who had broken his collarbone had been forced to move heavy cans and jars and wipe down shelves in the kitchen as punishment for a trifling infraction just a week after being injured, Kent became so worried that he decided to contact the state Department of Social Services about the school's practices. DSS passed the information on to the state Office of Child Care Services, which sent an investigator, Eric Lieberman, to the academy.

Academy administrators told Lieberman it was true that students were denied sleep for 19 or 20 hours during the first Life Step session, called "The Truth." Staff and students might stay up all night, then break for a nap between 5 and 7 a.m., then continue the session until 2 the next afternoon, the administrators said. One administrator also acknowledged using profanity toward the students during communications sessions, and added, "Some days I have said things to students that I wish I did not say."

The Office of Child Care Services' investigators found that the school had not been remiss in getting medical treatment for the student with the broken collarbone, but it did substantiate most of Kent's other concerns. It cited the school for "using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial of sufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."

OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy in communications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example, if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his or her family -- and then only temporarily.

The citation struck at another bone of contention between the state and ASR. A few months ago OCCS found itself at odds with ASR over whether the school needs to be licensed in Massachusetts as a treatment center, something College Health Enterprises had not done. ASR officials seemed to be having it both ways by enforcing rules usually associated withtreatment programs for people with emotional or behavioral disorders, but refusing to have the school licensed as a treatment center, which would give OCCS the right to oversee its operations. The disagreement is still unresolved, and has turned into a battle between lawyers for the state and the school.

Meanwhile, Kent was suspended from his job, and later fired, for calling the state and the press. Not content with firing him, school officials also had their lawyer, Northampton attorney Ed Etheredge, follow up the termination with a letter threatening Kent with possible libel action if he continued to speak.

In addition to declining to speak to the press, ASR officials seems to have become more defensive in recent months. When OCCS staff visited the school last month to discuss another complaint, school administrators refused to answer any questions and escorted the state officials off the property. At press time attorneys with the OCCS were trying to arrange a meeting to discuss differences between the school and the agency, which still maintains that ASR needs a license.
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« Reply #55 on: June 23, 2006, 10:37:00 AM »
There would be value if ASR and others were required to disclose in bold letters that they are not licensed and monitored by any state agency, and what that means. Like I said, I think parents assume they are licensed, or that "accreditation" includes monitoring of the experimental 'therapeutic' methods.
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« Reply #56 on: June 23, 2006, 11:09:00 AM »
Deborah,

i read through this post and this thread and i see others get mad when the programmies hold onto certain pices of information and do not let..beat the dead horse. but for that artlcle to held over the head of ASR is ridiculus. that article caused the first of many sweeps to be made of ASR concerning staff who had no business being the residential care business. but that was seven years ago and, with none of the same staff, you use it t condemn ASR. ASR has been changing and listening to people's concerns for years especially thelast 2 years when they completely new administration. they brought in a clinical director with no "emotional growth" experience to make changes into a more clinically sound program. And despite this you wave this 7 year article around....i would compare that to anyone still waving a nelson mandella banner. do not ask for people to talk and discuss things freely in this forum if this is what they get. i have never spoken up here and was enjoying this thread because there was a person from ASR taking a chance to speak up. to all the people who have this person to identify themselves in some way you are brave asking them to take a risk when you have nothing to lose yourselves.

an open minded individual

and so everyone knows i work in a related field so that is how i know about ASR
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« Reply #57 on: June 23, 2006, 11:10:00 AM »
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On 2006-06-23 07:37:00, Deborah wrote:

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There would be value if ASR and others were required to disclose in bold letters that they are not licensed and monitored by any state agency, and what that means. Like I said, I think parents assume they are licensed, or that "accreditation" includes monitoring of the experimental 'therapeutic' methods."


Yes, your right, which would work, if they were forced to do that.  That would get the ball rolling, The parents would then add pressure to get the schools licensed and monitored.  There needs to be some catalyst, like what you stated, to get it started.

Ever see those big banners on the side of companies ?ISO 9001 certified??  That is an extremely expensive and time consuming task for some companies, especially if they are small.  The people they sell to (larger companies) are demanding they be certified in order to do business them.
If you talk to the people that have gone thru the process they will tell you they are a better company for it, but would have never done it on their own because of the expense and time it took and back then they felt they were doing a good enough job already, so they felt at the time why get certified?

The article you posted is very old compared to the ASR today or even 4 years ago.  It did raise some eyebrows in its time though.
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« Reply #58 on: June 23, 2006, 11:34:00 AM »
What a crock of shit. 4 years, 7 years....
Bentz was there from 98 (when the article was written) - 03, Sept to be exact.

There are reports of degrading comments/ humiliation, etc going on as late as Aug 04

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#58816

03 Grad
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=60#75780

02 Grad
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=60#77264

"Clinical Director"? So they are attempting to operate more like a psychiatric facility now, or what?
Who is the CD?
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« Reply #59 on: June 23, 2006, 12:06:00 PM »
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On 2006-06-23 08:34:00, Deborah wrote:

"What a crock of shit. 4 years, 7 years....

Bentz was there from 98 (when the article was written) - 03, Sept to be exact.



There are reports of degrading comments/ humiliation, etc going on as late as Aug 04



http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#58816



03 Grad

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=60#75780



02 Grad

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=60#77264



"Clinical Director"? So they are attempting to operate more like a psychiatric facility now, or what?

Who is the CD?

[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-06-23 08:36 ]"


What is it with you?  Why do you have to get so angry all the time?  We are all talking about what we know and experienced.  I havent seen anyone lashing out at you because of your believes or position, without provocation.

Its an old article, Deborah, no one is discrediting it, just pointing out that the school has grown and continues to since the article 7 years ago and even since I have been there 3-4 years ago.  I think the point the poster was trying make was the new director isnt from another program or grown out of CEDU or some of the others that you say are bad.  This should be a good thing, a different point of view.
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