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Long Term Study
Deborah:
More on the ?study? (survey)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 510#174610
Marcus? book
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#81549
No data to support Marcus?s hysterical claim that there is a Skyrocketing Suicide Rate- in fact data that refutes his fear mongering
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 945#182325
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---On 2006-06-17 08:07:00, TheWho wrote:
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On 2006-06-08 11:46:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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i am surprised given the level of controversy over this issue and the level of angst many graduates express that one has not been comissioned before.
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Programs haven't been exposed to scientific scrutiny for the simple reason that they refuse access for the purpose of clinical trials. You see, they have plenty of anecdotal evidence that shows that they don't work and many studies show the same, but to allow a study of their particular program would be tantamount to direct proof that they don't help anyone. They won't allow studies to be conducted.
I personally contacted ASR (Academt at Swift River, an Aspen Education Group facility) to inquire about performing a clinical trial and I was told "we don't allow that."
Good luck.
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Actually ASR has opened their doors to many people to observe and conduct studies of their model. There has been a book written and at least one study published /conducted that I know of. If a person just calls off the street and asks to conduct a study they will decline of course. If you approached them thru a University and sent them a proposal up front on the type of study you are conducting, the time and resources you will be needing and then they could assess how intrusive it may be to the students. But I want you to send a professional proposal outlining your intents as in any school or business."
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I want you to provide the study then we'll talk.
TheWho:
This was a study conducted by a colgate graduate at ASR.
http://groups.colgeduate./cjs/student_p ... hapiro.pdf
This is a study/book written by Dave Marcus about his time at ASR:
http://www.davemarcus.com/
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---This is a study/book written by Dave Marcus about his time at ASR:
http://www.davemarcus.com/
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God, you are a tedious bastard aren't you? A book is not a study. It's a book, written for profits. Who, you are a vertiable fountain of misinformation.
Frank, where's that dead horse, man?
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---Actually ASR has opened their doors to many people to observe and conduct studies
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This is a blatant lie.
They "opened their doors" to exactly one person to write a book that paints ASR in the most favorable light possible. The so-called study that The Who keeps referencing was a mail survey designed by ASR with names and addresses of select persons chosen solely by ASR whose biased results were analyzed statistically by a grad student. The results actually showed continuing clinical pathology despite the hand-picked ultra-biased sample.
Who, you've gone from misrepresentations to outright, bald-faced lies. Your credibility is near zero if not zero.
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