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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2006, 01:30:00 AM »
Hi Everyone
Thank you for the helpful links. Keep anything of use coming I am trying to tread lightly with my brother because if he ses it as a matter of takig sides he will side with his wife as he is a weak weak man.
I am not sure if this is the site to ask but does anyone know of any good day schools for dislexic kids or places to search for them in the sanfrancisco reigion. The more alternatives I can try & offer the better.
I have looked on the aspen sites as well as the forums which surround them but again the emphasis seems to be on focusing on childrens negative behaviours instead of encouraging the positive.
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2006, 04:35:00 AM »
You can't "treat" dyslexia, you can't cure it and you can't attenuate it. For crying out loud it's not even really a disorder, simply a slightly different perceptual scheme.
Essentially a dyselxic child processes sensory data with different areas of the brain meaning that usual perceptive cues that act as mnonic (sp) devices will not work on her. Any half decent public school ought to have facilities in place to help a dyslexic child.

http://www.interdys.org/jsp/resources/i ... ations.jsp

http://www.dyslexia.com

Both of these sites contain useful information abot special educational requirements for dyslexics and how to best meet them.

On a personal note, frankly I am alarmed that this is even being considered for a dyslexic child. What does the wife hope to achieve by doing this?

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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2006, 07:10:00 AM »
Most States in the USA have laws which require public schools to provide for the special needs of students with learning disabilities.

The process is quite simple. The parents arrange with the school to have a CST (Child Study Team) test the girl. They will write up their findings, discuss it with the parents and make recommendations. It's free to the parents.
 
If there is a need for special services, they make up a plan for these (called an IEP, Individual Education Plan).

Since dyslexia is common, I'm sure they already have programs in place in any large or medium size city.

All of this is at no cost to the parents as the States are required to provide it.
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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2006, 08:59:00 AM »
If it is ok I have a few more questions as the more i learn the less i realise i know! (the dislexia sites were very helpful BTW i took the californian details down to give to my brother)

I assumed that there was plenty of time to research this & do something as we are currently moving into the northern hemisphere summer & I figured school does not go back till september. After reading some of the sites it would seem that the WWAPS schools do not send kids home @ all over the summer & therefore take immediate enrolments during this time. Is this true? It is staggering! How can anyone be happy for their young child to potentially spend that much time away?

This means that a kid could not see extended family or friends @ all ever for up to 3 years? I am astonished that this has not gotten international media coverage. It seems no better than the human rights abuses in China.

I noticed that there is a californian congressman fighting to regulate the industry. Does anyone know if I want you to be an american resident or citizen to try & get a political rep to intervene?

This idea is a long shot, but if it g0ot to the point that there was a legal dispute, could the fact that the kids mother made provisions for me & her sister to be guardians have any influence? Given that the kids dad is alive & well & has custody i doubt it, but if we have any laywers on the forum their input would be helpful.
 
Also in the event that a kid is not an american citizen can they be forced to go? I realise that a 10 year old is pretty well powerless but her extended family are now ready to get on the first plane to the  US if the situation becomes urgent. We just need the right information to try & prevent this disaster.

i am aware that my emails probably are coming across as a bit incredulous & hysterical but I am becoming increasingly panicked everytime I learn something new about these vile places. My heart breaks for the kids who are already in there. For the money their families are paying they could have a first rate education and in the event it is needed excellent therapudic treatment.
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2006, 11:37:00 AM »
http://old.heraldextra.com/modules.php? ... &sid=34937
 
 
Monday, September 20, 2004 - 12:00 AM   |

Investigation shows troubled school may be buying interest with lawmakers

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS


SALT LAKE CITY -- A family that runs a chain of troubled boarding schools has dumped bundles of money into Utah political campaigns over the past two years -- and may have been peddling influence with lawmakers to avoid regulation, a newspaper reports.

 
The Salt Lake Tribune reports in Sunday editions that lawmakers quietly killed a bill this year that would have allowed the state to regulate boarding schools. Since then, checks have flown into political coffers, and complaints surrounding the schools have swirled.

At the center of the storm are House Speaker Marty Stephens, who received a $30,000 check six days after the bill died from its biggest opponent, and the Majestic Ranch boarding school near Randolph, which has been has been investigated three separate times for alleged abuse, according to state Human Service officials.

That school is owned by Dan Peart, brother-in-law of World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools founder Robert Lichfield, who awarded Stephens the $30,000 check.

The ranch is among seven troubled-teen schools affiliated with World Wide in four states and two foreign countries. Several others have been shut down amid allegations of abuse or poor living conditions, including the Casa by the Sea facility near Ensenada, Mexico, closed last weekend by government officials.

Ken Stettler, director of the Utah Office of Licensing, told The Tribune he's convinced he had the votes to pass the bill giving his office regulatory authority over Majestic Ranch, if only Stephens and others had allowed it to come up for a vote.

"It still goes back to the old deal that, you know, if you are giving political contributions, then when the time comes and I want you to call in your chips, you're going to have a listening ear, which is more than a lot of the citizenry has," he said.

After several years of relatively modest contributions, Lichfield, of La Verkin, and his network of family members and business associates opened their wallets to politicians -- all of them Republicans, and many of them Utah politicians -- starting in 2002. They donated no more than a couple of thousand dollars prior to Jan. 1, 2001, but since then have forked over $1 million.

'A responsibility
to bless others'

Lichfield told The Tribune there was nothing nefarious about his sudden plunge into the political arena.

"We've been abundantly blessed, and when you're blessed, we feel you have a responsibility to bless others," he said, confirming that World Wide member schools gross more than $70 million annually.

Lichfield added that the family's charitable contributions, which he estimated at $3 million last year, dwarf its political donations.

Stephens, the outgoing House speaker whose bid for governor ended unsuccessfully in the May 8 Republican State Convention, did not return repeated requests from The Tribune for comment or a telephone message Sunday from The Associated Press.

However, Lichfield denied receiving undue influence, and shrugs off suggestion that he has become a political powerbroker.

"Believe me, the check had nothing to do with (the bill)," said Lichfield. "Marty Stephens was going to get a donation from me no matter what happened to (it). Marty Stephens is a quality guy."

"I'd like to use my means and resources to bless peoples' lives. Does that also imply influencing policy-makers to make good policies that support good family values, quality education and the things I believe in? Definitely. I'd like to have some influence in that," he said.

This story appeared in The Daily Herald on page D4.

 

 
 

http://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/PrRel/prjune142002.htm
For Immediate Release
June 14, 2002

 

 





YOUTH RANCH DIRECTOR CHARGED WITH CHILD SEX ABUSE



      The director of a boarding school for troubled youth has been arrested for allegedly sexually abusing a young girl at the Rich County facility. Wayne E. Winder, 35, has been charged with a first degree felony count of aggravated sexual abuse, a third degree felony count of dealing in material harmful to a minor, and one second degree felony count and two class A misdemeanor counts of child abuse.
      Winder is the director and staff supervisor at the Majestic Ranch, located near Randolph in Rich County. The parents of the children paid the school approximately $3,000 a month to care for each child. The investigation involved interviews with 41 children at the ranch.
      The children told investigators about sexual abuse, physical abuse and that the defendant displayed a pornographic picture. The children are between the ages of 10 and 14-years-old.
      The Office of Licensing has sent a letter to the owners of the school to inform them they need a Human Services license to operate a residential treatment center.
      Assistant Attorney General Craig Barlow, the division chief of the Children's Justice Division of the Attorney General's Office, will be prosecuting this case. Bail has been set at $30,000.

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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2006, 02:17:00 PM »
///I also recall reading of an occasion where Dan Pert drug a Llama near to death and left it tied to a fence to finish dying. I can't find it now - maybe someone else will know where that was posted.///

here it is:


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I understand what these boy are saying 100% I havce been a staff member at majestic ranch academy (UT) for sometime and am currently doing my best to see that the place is shut down. I can attest to the facts that students at this establishment are continually neglected, mistreated and downright ABUSED both physically and mentally. The administration cares nothing about the welfare of the students or thier progress, on more than one occasion, I have seen students doing very well (too well) slammed down to level one from level 3 or even 4 for no reason at all, except of course for the fact the buisness loses money if a student is able to graduate in half the time that it "normally" takes. I myself have heard the assistant director, Wayne Winder tell a 14 year old boy that he was stupid, would never graduate and all we were doing was milking his parent's money. the average staff to student ratio at MR is 1 to 10 on a good day. These students are supposed to be learning how to take care of a ranch and care for animals right? Wrong. They very rarely have any contact with animals on the ranch, ALL of which are in very poor condition. The owner of the ranch, Dan Peart has been known to shoot dogs because the students pet them. One of my students told me one day that while working with Dan he witnessed him (dan) drag a live llama on the ground behind a horse at a full run for quite a distance. after he stopped, he tied the wounded animal to a fence and left it, telling the boys,"I don't care if you kill that damn ting" I have heard stories from other students of dan stopping his truck, (with boys inside) pulling a rifle from behind his seat to shoot deer and leave their bodies where they lay. Is this how we should teach children to care for animals? There are so many problems with this company, it is a truly terrible enviroment for children. If you have been thinking about sending your child to a wwasp program, DON'T DO IT!!!!! And if you have children in a program, YOU ARE BEING LIED TO AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE NOT SAFE!!! For their sake please pull them from wwasp programs as soon as possible. I promise you that all the staements on this message are 100% factual
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2006, 06:54:00 PM »
Are you still a staff member @ majestic ranch buzz kill? If so & it becomes necessary Can I get you to email my brother? He is likely to listen more to a staff rep. His big claim is that the people that he and his wifew spoke to on the phone were "professional and compassionate" Of course they were. They stood to gain 3000 a month!!!!

I am assuming that if you are lobbying to get the place shut down you are in contact with the office of george miller. Obviously these wwasp people have a stanglehold of power in utah. What about the more moderate states? What are they doing to get them shut down.

I have gotten my brother to agree to let my niece come to australia for a holiday over the summer holidays for a few weeks so that @ least buys time & puts her where i can see her.
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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2006, 07:01:00 PM »
WWASP marketers are in it for the commission.  So, if your brother calls and wants a school for kids with dyslexia, they would tell you that 80% of their students have it and that their treatment is 99.99999% effective in curing them.  They would tell you anything, and none of it will be in writing so it doesn't matter what they say.  

Parents ask WWASP's salespersons about things like that they are worried about their kid learning about other bad things, and the salespeople lie and say that the kids don't have any time unsupervised to tell war stories.  Yeah right!  

Just know that your brother will receive many high pressure follow-up sales calls urging him to save his daughter's life before it's too late, and that they can be so convincing that he might feel that he must have her kidnapped away or she could die or face a terrible fate.  Also, know that the marketers read this site, so they're aware that he's being educated on the true colors of WWASP.
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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2006, 08:17:00 PM »
I have now registered under the above name.
I can understand how a parent falls for high pressure slaes tactics when they have a teenager in trouble with the law or with a drug prblem that they are desperate to adress. I just do not get what they could possibly say to the parent of a relatively untroubled 10 year old who has special learning needs to convince them of any kind of urgency. I strongly suspect that they  are selling it as some kind of year round summer camp with a special ed component. I would be extremely curious as to what they could say to get around the fact that the principal of the school was charged with sexual abuse.
The last time i spoke to my brother he mentioned that he was advised most kids will say bad things about the place because they are homesick & I note this seems to be a common theme in their pitch & an issue which comes up in these forums. I am amazed that this does not arouse suspicion in parents and make them come for a visit unannounced regardless of what the school says the rules are. The school i attended as a teenager had a boarding wing & I boarded in the US for a few months on exchange. In both schools boarders were made to write home (uncensored) every week and there were regular family days etc. The only limit was that parents @ the Australian school could not visit for the first few weeks of a new students stay & this was to help the child overcome homesickness. (I dont know how well it worked)  
I would imagine that if your child were troubled in some way you would want to visit more as they need you more. It is obvously not a financial issue for parents who can afford 3 grand a month. Isnt that what universities like harvard charge?
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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2006, 10:51:00 PM »
So very sorry Pls Help - I, BuzzKill , have never worked for wwasp. I have simply copy/pasted a post from another board - and provided the link as well, in case you'd like to see the entire thread on that forum.

The staff member posted anonymously, so there is no real way to contact them. It is regrettable. However, there are the affidavits given by Majestic Ranch staff member that have been mentioned. They have the person's names, naturally. Its been awhile since I read them, but as I recall, they co-oberate the account this anon poster made that I copied here.

You wrote:  I strongly suspect that they are selling it as some kind of year round summer camp with a special ed component.

I strongly suspect you are right!
They sell the parent, what ever it is the parent is looking for. What the parent is actually getting, is something else all together. You seem to be getting it figured out pretty quickly. I hope your brother can learn as fast.

In case you wonder - I am a parent of a once upon a time Program kid. I learned after the fact that I had been lied to and manipulated - and I do Not mean by my son. I can talk about that - my experience as a parent, if you think that would help.

Please send your brother a copy of "Help at Any Cost". It explains the history of this kind of treatment modality; its realities, and its effects, very clearly. Please tell him to slow down - take hihs time - and do some research. He must not allow himself to get all his information from those who stand to enrich themselves through his daughter's placement/suffering.
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« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2006, 11:00:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-31 15:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Are you still a staff member @ majestic ranch buzz kill? If so & it becomes necessary Can I get you to email my brother? He is likely to listen more to a staff rep. His big claim is that the people that he and his wifew spoke to on the phone were "professional and compassionate" Of course they were. They stood to gain 3000 a month!!!!



I am assuming that if you are lobbying to get the place shut down you are in contact with the office of george miller. Obviously these wwasp people have a stanglehold of power in utah. What about the more moderate states? What are they doing to get them shut down.



I have gotten my brother to agree to let my niece come to australia for a holiday over the summer holidays for a few weeks so that @ least buys time & puts her where i can see her. "

I cannot believe that someone would put more stock in a phone call than all the evidence that can be presented against this. I mean even the rumors of such stories would keep me away. It's a child, after all.

I am very glad to read that she will be coming to see you in Australia. Hey, I've never been to Australia! Can I come? (just kidding)
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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2006, 12:06:00 AM »
Oh I would LOVE to visit Aussie Land!
Its on my list of most wanted vacations. I have even pondered moving there one day. So many deadly creatures tho! Poisonous creatures abound, and they are toxic to outrageous degrees. But still I want to visit, for sure! If you've not yet read "In a Sunburned Country" by Bill Bryson, I recommend it highly.

But back to the subject of Majestic Ranch - I was looking at the thread I linked to above, and noticed the following by Llith, concerning her thoughts on Majestic Ranch; posted just this past March. But before anyone asks - I have no idea who she is or how to contact her.



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Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 6:26 pm:      

I enrolled my beloved child at Majestic Ranch in a little over a year ago, then, concerned by what I had read on sites like this, went to get her. Everything on this site about abuse at Majestic Ranch is true. The Pearts, Wayne, Tammy & all the others who collude in the torture of kids for profit will some day be called to account for this. No one ever truly gets away with anything...even if it may look like they do. Parents: you are being lied to. Your kids are being tortured for fun and profit. Please, do not buy the snake oil that W.W.A.S.P. is selling. I know how it feels to be desperate, and to feel that there are no other options. Fact is, we live in a very kid-hostile world. Also, I do find it interesting that WWASP, Ken Lay et al are huge contributors to politicians with agendas similar to theirs. It is obvious that they have managed to put quite a few politicos in their pockets, otherwise how could these abuses continue? There are never any surprise inspections of any of these facilities, nor are any of the kids ever interviewed by outsiders (parents) without a "staff" member present. When the CPS investigated majestic Ranch, it gave 48 hours notice, took the "tour" Wayne and Tammy gave them, and never spoke at all to any of the kids. Real impartial and fair assessment, right?
God bless the courageous staff who blew the whistle on these scumbags.
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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2006, 04:27:00 AM »
Hi there.
Your first port of call ought to be an Australian legal expert. Several countries have laws or customs that forbid parents overseas if there is a reasonable suspicion that a child will be mistreated there. If this is a non-starter then your next gambit will need to be an appeal directly to the father, you'll need to go armed with armloads of information about the facility you are concerned about. My advice is to check out http://www.isaccorp.org and remember that you are dealing with a large organisation here and you can use information about the various personalities involved very effectively. Part of your argument needs to include the findings of the surgeon general's report. I've found that generally speaking the best way to talk parents out of doing this sort of thing is to arrange to talk to them in a relatively informal setting, over drinks etc and then to present them will a whole boatload of information that starts with
1)These places don't work, look here the surgeon general says so...
2)The people you are entrusting your child to are totally untrustworthy an include several known child abusers, a guy who pepper sprays kids for fun and a guy who continues to work for the program despite knowing it's bullshit (Ken Key)
3) Look here, there's a tonne of information that indicates that these schools are harmful
4) Look here, your wife is talking shit, there are plenty of local effective treatment options here's what they are
5) If you don't like them let me investigate options in Australia. She can stay with us.

Generally speaking people who promote and advocate these programs are very prone to careful rationalisation and a strange sort of double-think. If you let him he'll probably simply brush away your concerns with some program-speak technobabble and you'll need to be prepared for this.

Finally you'll need to understand that in the extreme the decision is out of your hands.
My email address is batting around all over the place on these forums. If you have any questions or you'd like help putting together the information to petition your brother with just drop me a line.

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« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2006, 04:32:00 AM »
It's worth noting that the above is wholly founded in my personal experience, has nothing other than anecdote to back it up so it can only be considered trustworthy inasmuch as I'm a reliable commentator.

James.

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« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2006, 09:34:00 AM »
Hi guys
I have checked out the potential legal situation here. It is not looking great. A judge letting an American kid go to American relatives is one thing. letting a kid go to people who are not even citizens of the country, when the kids biological parent lives there is another entirely.
I think Aardvark is right. It will probably be better if i could speak to my brohter face to face though as emails and phone calls are somewhat restrictive they also get quite tense & I am sensitive to the fact that i may alienate and cause a snap decision This is actually my biggest fear. Especially after reading about those horror escort services. @ least i have a body of reading on WWAPS programmes for him though. I found a psycholigist view of Casa by the Sea which was closed down that may help. I think when i send my niece back home I might take the vacation time & visit the US that way I can sit down and talk about the other options. As to the public education system, my niece is enrolled @ a private school. In spite of not loving the academic side she seems quite happy & has many friends. (another rsn why sending her away seems wrong)
Buzz kill I am sorry i should have read your email more thoroughly. I copied the link though and the passage to show my brother. I hope your son came out relatively unscathed from the WWASP school. Which one was it? Not one of the offsure ones i hope.

I have read the Bill Bryson book, i think it was marketed as Down under here. i was hilarious. i think he is a bit of a baby though. Nothing ever killed me  :wink: Just imagine Sanfrancisco or Oregon but with nicer weather & that is pretty much what Australia is like.

Just a final question and this may seem naive. If a kid goes willingly or even enthusiastically & is not there for behavoural issues per se, i would assume they would get through the levels more quickly. Dont the adults then have a hard time explaining why a child who has obviously progressed well is now "manupulating " or making up lies? I understand that here is a finanncial incentive to hold kids onto lower levels to some extent but sooner or later parents must question either why progress is slow or why if it is not a kid would lie?
Also do they not have any kind oof report card for parents? In Australia each teacher writes a different comment & gives their grade. This is an indicator of progress. Are parents not allowed to call & discuss results?
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