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AtomicAnt:

--- Quote ---On 2006-05-31 15:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Are you still a staff member @ majestic ranch buzz kill? If so & it becomes necessary Can I get you to email my brother? He is likely to listen more to a staff rep. His big claim is that the people that he and his wifew spoke to on the phone were "professional and compassionate" Of course they were. They stood to gain 3000 a month!!!!



I am assuming that if you are lobbying to get the place shut down you are in contact with the office of george miller. Obviously these wwasp people have a stanglehold of power in utah. What about the more moderate states? What are they doing to get them shut down.



I have gotten my brother to agree to let my niece come to australia for a holiday over the summer holidays for a few weeks so that @ least buys time & puts her where i can see her. "

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I cannot believe that someone would put more stock in a phone call than all the evidence that can be presented against this. I mean even the rumors of such stories would keep me away. It's a child, after all.

I am very glad to read that she will be coming to see you in Australia. Hey, I've never been to Australia! Can I come? (just kidding)

BuzzKill:
Oh I would LOVE to visit Aussie Land!
Its on my list of most wanted vacations. I have even pondered moving there one day. So many deadly creatures tho! Poisonous creatures abound, and they are toxic to outrageous degrees. But still I want to visit, for sure! If you've not yet read "In a Sunburned Country" by Bill Bryson, I recommend it highly.

But back to the subject of Majestic Ranch - I was looking at the thread I linked to above, and noticed the following by Llith, concerning her thoughts on Majestic Ranch; posted just this past March. But before anyone asks - I have no idea who she is or how to contact her.



lillith
New member
Username: lillith

Post Number: 2
Registered: 3-2006
Posted From: 67.121.121.68
   
Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 6:26 pm:      

I enrolled my beloved child at Majestic Ranch in a little over a year ago, then, concerned by what I had read on sites like this, went to get her. Everything on this site about abuse at Majestic Ranch is true. The Pearts, Wayne, Tammy & all the others who collude in the torture of kids for profit will some day be called to account for this. No one ever truly gets away with anything...even if it may look like they do. Parents: you are being lied to. Your kids are being tortured for fun and profit. Please, do not buy the snake oil that W.W.A.S.P. is selling. I know how it feels to be desperate, and to feel that there are no other options. Fact is, we live in a very kid-hostile world. Also, I do find it interesting that WWASP, Ken Lay et al are huge contributors to politicians with agendas similar to theirs. It is obvious that they have managed to put quite a few politicos in their pockets, otherwise how could these abuses continue? There are never any surprise inspections of any of these facilities, nor are any of the kids ever interviewed by outsiders (parents) without a "staff" member present. When the CPS investigated majestic Ranch, it gave 48 hours notice, took the "tour" Wayne and Tammy gave them, and never spoke at all to any of the kids. Real impartial and fair assessment, right?
God bless the courageous staff who blew the whistle on these scumbags.

MightyAardvark:
Hi there.
Your first port of call ought to be an Australian legal expert. Several countries have laws or customs that forbid parents overseas if there is a reasonable suspicion that a child will be mistreated there. If this is a non-starter then your next gambit will need to be an appeal directly to the father, you'll need to go armed with armloads of information about the facility you are concerned about. My advice is to check out http://www.isaccorp.org and remember that you are dealing with a large organisation here and you can use information about the various personalities involved very effectively. Part of your argument needs to include the findings of the surgeon general's report. I've found that generally speaking the best way to talk parents out of doing this sort of thing is to arrange to talk to them in a relatively informal setting, over drinks etc and then to present them will a whole boatload of information that starts with
1)These places don't work, look here the surgeon general says so...
2)The people you are entrusting your child to are totally untrustworthy an include several known child abusers, a guy who pepper sprays kids for fun and a guy who continues to work for the program despite knowing it's bullshit (Ken Key)
3) Look here, there's a tonne of information that indicates that these schools are harmful
4) Look here, your wife is talking shit, there are plenty of local effective treatment options here's what they are
5) If you don't like them let me investigate options in Australia. She can stay with us.

Generally speaking people who promote and advocate these programs are very prone to careful rationalisation and a strange sort of double-think. If you let him he'll probably simply brush away your concerns with some program-speak technobabble and you'll need to be prepared for this.

Finally you'll need to understand that in the extreme the decision is out of your hands.
My email address is batting around all over the place on these forums. If you have any questions or you'd like help putting together the information to petition your brother with just drop me a line.

Religion is just mind control.
--George Carlin, comedian
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MightyAardvark:
It's worth noting that the above is wholly founded in my personal experience, has nothing other than anecdote to back it up so it can only be considered trustworthy inasmuch as I'm a reliable commentator.

James.
Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll  forgive Thy great big one on me.
--Robert Frost, American poet
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Oz girl:
Hi guys
I have checked out the potential legal situation here. It is not looking great. A judge letting an American kid go to American relatives is one thing. letting a kid go to people who are not even citizens of the country, when the kids biological parent lives there is another entirely.
I think Aardvark is right. It will probably be better if i could speak to my brohter face to face though as emails and phone calls are somewhat restrictive they also get quite tense & I am sensitive to the fact that i may alienate and cause a snap decision This is actually my biggest fear. Especially after reading about those horror escort services. @ least i have a body of reading on WWAPS programmes for him though. I found a psycholigist view of Casa by the Sea which was closed down that may help. I think when i send my niece back home I might take the vacation time & visit the US that way I can sit down and talk about the other options. As to the public education system, my niece is enrolled @ a private school. In spite of not loving the academic side she seems quite happy & has many friends. (another rsn why sending her away seems wrong)
Buzz kill I am sorry i should have read your email more thoroughly. I copied the link though and the passage to show my brother. I hope your son came out relatively unscathed from the WWASP school. Which one was it? Not one of the offsure ones i hope.

I have read the Bill Bryson book, i think it was marketed as Down under here. i was hilarious. i think he is a bit of a baby though. Nothing ever killed me  :wink: Just imagine Sanfrancisco or Oregon but with nicer weather & that is pretty much what Australia is like.

Just a final question and this may seem naive. If a kid goes willingly or even enthusiastically & is not there for behavoural issues per se, i would assume they would get through the levels more quickly. Dont the adults then have a hard time explaining why a child who has obviously progressed well is now "manupulating " or making up lies? I understand that here is a finanncial incentive to hold kids onto lower levels to some extent but sooner or later parents must question either why progress is slow or why if it is not a kid would lie?
Also do they not have any kind oof report card for parents? In Australia each teacher writes a different comment & gives their grade. This is an indicator of progress. Are parents not allowed to call & discuss results?

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