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Anonymous:
BTW--My problem with the circumstances of the Florida Treasure mom's kid in a boot camp is that she was never given the option of serving a set sentence in normal juvenile hall.

She should have been given that option.

And she should have still had the normal options of appeals in court to ensure she got a fair trial and that the length of her sentence to juvie fit whatever crime she was convicted of (if any, after her various appeals).

If she chose the boot camp herself, she should always have had the option of leaving and going back to regular juvie.

Julie

Anonymous:
This is truly a different segment of society than what we discuss on these boards. These are perps of violent crimes and victims of horrific family violence and abuse themselves. They do discuss the victims, and there is a program where victims come and speak to the kids. They are ALL hardened criminals, but some DO not make it in this program and have to do their time. I think you would find it really interesting.
Karen

Nihilanthic:

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"Niles- read it and see what you think. I am really interested in your input. It is a very confrontational program, but when you read about the family history of these kids and the crimes they committed, it puts a different light on things. It is fascinating and does show the good and the bad of this type of therapy."

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CONFRONTATIONAL DOESNT WORK.

Just look at me telling any of the "Struggling Parents" they fucked up, or theyre selfish, or they made a mistake... or theyre not perfect and the victim and joan of fucking arc at all. :roll:

You can't justify something that intrinsically doesn't work or is inherantly abusive or causes sideffects because they committed one crime or another or they were abused or neglected in one way or another.

Cathartic shit is exactly that. Pathology is not personal growth. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eldon.braun/awa ... hology.htm

Nihilanthic:

--- Quote ---If they work, do these rehabs traumatize the convicted criminals? My heart just bleeds for them. I care more about their victims. So long as the criminal is *choosing* the rehab program to get less time and has the option, always, of dropping out of that program and just doing his time.
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Julie, do two wrongs make a right?

If you can justify effectiveness in light of abuse for convicts, whats to stop that from being used on 'druggies', or chidlren with certain diagnoses, or kids with bad grades, or depressed kids... or everyone?

The only way I could justify effective yet abusive treatment is if the only alternative is locking them up for life, but thats ANOTHER slippery slope arguement.

Im fairly sure there are ways to go about doing it without abuse, and without any potential side effects, and without rehashing the same old shit programs have been using to no good effect, breaking the law and violating their rights, for the past 30 years.

Also, I find it funny you speak of victims... what about those who went to jail or bootcamp for non violent offenses? Isn't that group the whole point  of your post to mine?

I dont want a klepto or a stoner getting fucked over! I can live with violent or malicious people getting some licks if it means they wont hurt people anymore (the only thing I hate, is hateful/harmful/malicious/apathetic people thmselves, and hate itself, plus their suffering would prevent the suffering of others...) but not someone whose been hurt by others and acted out, a  kid who used drugs, someone who stole, or just some kid who tagged a school building.

Ill put it this way: Imagine people with the same fucked up problems most straightlings have running around, but justifying that because it 'worked'.

Some evils are necessary but Im not so sure this is one of them.

odie:
Anybody that knows anything about the facility in question knows if something works that changes even one of these kids...use it. Giddings is a Level 6 Facility. You will not find your snot nosed kids of wealthy parents looking to fix their kids at any cost. There you will find murderers, rapists, arsonists, and yes child molesters. And remember they are all kids. So if something works on them who is anyone on this board to say it shouldn't be done. Do you think they will end up more fucked in the head or something?...sheesh!
It sucks when decent, hardworking people get screwed over like that. Because that means pricks like us don?t stand a chance.
 


Jim S. watching the devastation of the recent tsunami on the television at JR?s
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