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ASR
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: ""JustaMom"" ---I really do not appreciate the sarcasm. I am a professional in the field and had resources to get help for my son that many parents do not have--then I get the old saw that "psychologists' kids are always nuts."
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Yeah well, I'm sure the kids in ASR didn't appreciate the degredation and humiliation. It's for your own good.
--- Quote ---Finally, I would not wish his older sister NOT to achieve-she has a life, too.
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Me neither and I have no idea how you would get that out of what I posted. I meant that it seems that 'achievement' (according to your standards) is very important to you and having a type A sister must have made that even harder on him.
--- Quote ---That you can think a college student living in NYC with all that is there--is still brain washed--is just ridiculous. One of the reasons he is so successful IMO is that we got him into a program BEFORE he developed a drug habit trying to dull his own pain. However, since he left ASR, he has been in the mainstream of adolescent society and has had no problems with substance use or anything else that I would consider outside the norm for late adolescence.
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I was brainwashed for a long damn time after I got out. It happens. All the time.
--- Quote ---You ask me to look at OTHER programs--why should I--I didn't choose other programs, I chose this one. I believe that there are bad programs--that is why I worked so hard to find a GOOD MATCH for him.
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I asked you to see the similarities between the programs. You don't want to even look. Ok.
--- Quote ---I detail how concerned ASR and their pdoc (who was male, not female) were with his suicidal ideation and you tell me he should have been hospitalized--thanks for the advice six years after the fact. He was hospitalized and released in 36 hours--with no improvement--Duh, what is supposed to happen in 36 hours???
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I'm saying that the last place a depressed, suicidal kid needs to be is somewhere that employs such tactics as LifeSteps, isolation and humiliation.
--- Quote ---Perhaps that is what your life lacks.
You want to dwell in your past pain.
You live in your past pain--and I feel sorry for you--but time only goes in one direction. No matter what happened to you, if you want a life, you have to go forward--not spend your time verbally abusing a parent who is relating things that are really quite "proven" by a life lived well so far, but one that provides hard evidence in the opposite direction of your beliefs--so you demean and deride me as a "rebuttal." It is not a rebuttal at all because he is living out his childhood dream in NYC. All this at ASR happened to my son over 5 years ago and he is OK, actually much better than just OK--I wish you were, too, but you obviously are not.
Still
JustaMom
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Why do you assume that I'm "not OK"? I'm fine. I've got two grown kids (sorry for the repeat folks, I know y'all have heard this a hunnert times now) who somehow managed to make it through adolescence without benefit of a program....even though both sets of grandparents (former program parents) and some of her school counselors were telling me she'd DIE if I didn't ship off my oldest one. She's now a CNA working on her LPN to continue to her RN and ARNP. Li'l sis is working for any attorney and getting ready to start nursing school in about 6 months. Hubby of 16 years and I are quite content. I come here to warn prospective marks about these places. The more I read about them, the more I realize that nothing much has changed in 20 some years except they've gotten better at marketing themselves.
--- Quote ---All I can say is I have no intention of registering at this site.
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Um, ok. I could care less. It's a common thread amongst y'all program parents. Stick your head in the sand.
Anonymous:
Anne, if you want to argue with fictional characters, I've got a couple.
Shouldn't it also be really obvious by that this point that her author has her responding to allegations that aren't even made? I'll wager most of these responses are written well in advance.
No subtlety or finesse at all. :roll:
JustAMom/guest parent's author: Spend some time playing real time role-playing games like Paranoia or D&D, or possibly some forum RPs, before coming on here. Your lack of skill is appalling. Come back when you can imitate a human being properly. Before that, GTFO.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penalty"" ---Anne, if you want to argue with fictional characters, I've got a couple.
Shouldn't it also be really obvious by that this point that her author has her responding to allegations that aren't even made? I'll wager most of these responses are written well in advance.
No subtlety or finesse at all. :roll:
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Yeah, but I welcome the opportunity to keep bumping the ASR threads since the Who is hellbent on distracting everyone.
hanzomon4:
Well bye justamom, it seems that you just can't face any criticism of your program. Everything you have said about your son seems to be related to his school experience(not his fault) and depression(not his fault). I to suffered(suffer) with depression and I'm not dead. My mom was worried but never desperate, which is probable why I never got programed. Point is his problems were not things he needed to fix it was all environment. The only reason you know about his school problems is because he was free to tell you about those problems. Not so in a program like ASR that uses peer-pressure as the backbone of the program. Don't believe me just read what you wrote about "peer-groups"(?lower school? "upper school") and Anne's quotes.
Your glowing assignment of ASR is convincing but doesn't jive with the testimony of others who went to ASR or other programs. The reason I asked you to look at other programs was to understand the hostility here and to also see the similarities ASR has to confirmed abusive programs like Straight or CEDU, a program that resembles ASR to a frighting degree. If you were to read some other survivor stories you understand the whole brainwashing thing too.
I'm not going to pressure you to stick around but I will post some more questions later hoping that you will answer them.
Have any of you guys watched the French documentary on Landmark Education, I swear that justamom(and son) sounds like that lady who gave such a glowing account of her Landmark experience just before breaking down after she was shown how much it resembled a regular cult
hanzomon4:
--- Quote from: ""justaMom"" --- I will NOT tell you the ways in which my son is different because it could be used to identify him
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What makes you think we're trying to identify your son?
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