Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
ASR
nalex18:
--- Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal"" ---I call well-organized, deliberately-planned troll on this whole thread.
--- Quote ---Lots of crying, yelling, etc. Some of the things that went on in group I believe was wrong.
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--- Quote ---You would receive a folder with a "truth list" and writing assignments to do things like "Why I feel I don't have to talk in group".
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--- Quote ---All mail was opened, read and searched.If a counselor thought something was innapropriate you did't get the mail.
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That last one is actually illegal.
--- Quote ---I think everyone to some extent lied to get out of the program. Some people went through the program
having done drugs, had sex, etc but would never admit to it and were never caught. You learned to be compliant and really just to say whatever they wanted you to.
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Pretty sick shit, right?
But then he says:
--- Quote ---I can say that I am a different person than I was prior to ASR. I learned not to act out, even if the learning came in some uncomfortable ways.
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That's either Stockholm to the max or some serious fucking bullshit.
Nalex, if you are for real, you ought to tell this miserable "guest parent" to go eat shit and set about reclaiming who you were.
The fact that you haven't makes you a defeated little pussy and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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I'm not a troll, whatever that means. ASR was not the best place in the world but I feel like an asshole when kids are really suffering at other places, and also because I had been in worse situations.. I go back and forth over it, and everyone else I know who went there with does the same. If the parent feels that changes have been made and her child has been helped I cannot state otherwise seeing that I have not been there in years.
nalex18:
--- Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin"" ---
--- Quote ---2) I am not aware of a grievance system in place when I was there. If we were complaining about the school a lot of the staff had the attitude that "Well at least you're not at Three Springs". If you complained to your parents on the phone you had some nice things coming to you in group. It was kind of a "tough shit" type thing. My parents really hate talking about it, but from what has slipped out I guess they sort of got the same response.
3) No we did not. I think if we had asked they would have laughed.
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These here scare me more than anything.
Are you really saying that if you complained you would have gotten something "nice" in group?
1) Please define this nice, and how did the group find out about it as I thought phone calls were private?
2) In a hypothetical situation had you called the state abuse hotline and they responded what might have happened?
I am finding this ASR to be a very disturbing place. I probably wouldn't even send my dog there for obediance training.
*** I love it your parents and counselors actually said, "Well you aren't at Three Springs!"
That is the typical mentality of all facilities. At Three Springs we used say at least you aren't at HLA. So I am to hear the thoughts are, "Suck up the abusive crap hear because it is only worse elsewhere."
So slightly abusive, or quasi abusive is ok versus Tranquility Bay Abusive? We have the luxury of making such distinctions now?
Nalex do you mind if I cut and past your answers to another thread for future reference?
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No I don't mind, as long as I see where it's going.
By "nice" I mean part of the group would be focused on you. And there were call logs taken by the staff there about how your conversation went . If we complained about the school our counselors would most likely start playing the whole "you're manipulating your parents to get out of here", or pull the whole other "you could be at [insert hellhole here]. Somehow, it always came back to you and your issues.
Hypothetically... I really have no idea. We would probably be put on bans with the whole school so we wouldn't be able to spread the "negativity".
* and my parents didn't make the comment about 3S, sorry if my crappy grammar made it look like that.
nalex18:
--- Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin"" ---One thing to remember Nalex is the parent is speaking for the child. Would you honestly have gone home and spoken out against ASR the first day back? Spoken out against the very place your parents praised from the hilltops for "saving" their wayward child?
Another thought for you... Was it ASR that helped you grow up, or was it you that did that on your own?
A more likely scenario is the boy went home, blessed his lucky stars that he isn't there anymore, and decided to play the good house boy and keep his mouth shut. It is very common that you see this with new graduates of programs all over the place. They graduate believing in the program and its merits, a few years go by and when they are out of their parents house they tend to start doing their own thinking.
They come to the conclusions that it is safe for them to voice their opinions about the treatment the recieved at the hands of their respective facilities.
Yes I can see ASR making some superficial changes. Perhaps they got rid of Costa Rica and hired a food service. The fundamentally corrupt issues with the facility no doubt still exist. They still have peer groups, and peers in those groups lie their asses off to get out.
Still I am curious about the whole you will get something in group item you mentioned.
What is that all about?
And by the way you shouldn't feel bad about the abuse that was worse elsewhere. You should be enraged by the abuse that happened to you.
Remember... the one calorie only of abuse is still abuse and it is still very wrong.
Thank you for having the courage to speak to us here.
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The question of "was it ASR or me" is one that I ask myself a lot. I was sent there pretty young and had some growing up to do. I really don't know if it was ASR. I think the one thing that it did was made me be really thankful for my life at home.
It's hard for me to talk about ASR because I am still confused, which is why I don't blame that other person for his comment.
nalex18:
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--- Quote ---No I don't mind, as long as I see where it's going.
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In a sticky in my facilities forum where I plan to start catalogueing these question and answer sessions from graduates as they occur.
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If it's useful for you then yes.
PS. dude is a lady :)
nalex18:
--- Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin"" ---You hawt?
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Haha I believe that's an opinion
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