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insane concept.
Ft. Lauderdale:
Greg I'm sure most of your thought patterns went something like. I wonder if Maggie thinks I'm cool. Maybe if I pop a wheely then she would really think I'm cool.
Hey lets face it, for most of the shit we did. We all wern't that bright. At least I wasn't.
I needed some discipline wooped on me. (NO NOT BEAT INTO ME BUT I NEEDED DISCIPLINE)I was not getting it anywhere else.
My parents could have sent me to my room to think about it. :lol: I never came up with the right answer. Never did. Maybe some kids do. Not me...
Johnny G:
I think it comes down to "being ready" - ie ready to let someone else drive for a bit cause whatever I was doing wasn't working.
For anyone not there, it might be possible to get some to that point on the front row, but others will fight it because they don't feel they need the help - and may not. My brother and sister did as many drugs and crimes as I did, but never got as out of control as I did, never spent any time in any rehab and both are very successful in their chosen fields - I don't think it would have worked out that way for me, and I felt theat way then, so I was open to another way.
I agree with Greg that the drug use, per se, is not the problem, just a symptom.
GregFL:
But Ft Lauderdale, as the father of a 16 year old I am acutely aware of the lack of rationality that flows from her. I also know kids her age that can and do analyze situations in very adult ways.
That really isn't the question proffered here. The question is why was rational discourse not only disallowed but severely dealt with? Why was deep thought given a special name and also a subject of punishment and often ridicule and belittlement if you were caught 'in your head'.
You guys must know the answer...you were staff. Or maybe you were just taught to deal with these things and never really gave it much thought?
Perhaps you we so thorougly indoctrinated that you couldn't imagine anything wrong with the perfect seed society you were promoting...or just maybe you were scared to challenge the notion that something might be wrong with not permitting a 15 year old girl/boy to think about the situation she/he was in with an individual idea or to challenge authority? I think we all know what would have happened if you would have challenged the notion that something might be amiss here.
Don't we?
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-02 14:07:00, Johnny G wrote:
My brother and sister did as many drugs and crimes as I did, but never got as out of control as I did, never spent any time in any rehab and both are very successful in their chosen fields - I don't think it would have worked out that way for me, and I felt theat way then, so I was open to another way.
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Are you aware Johnny that virtually every seed graduate that thinks the seed helped them views themselves in this pre-seed dismal failure way...no way to pull themselves out..no way to survive without the extreme intervention of the Seed? Do you know even kids that smoked a joint or two that have logged on insist the same thing for themselves some 30 years later?
Isn't it kind of ironic that the notion of non survival without the seed was drilled into you head every single day...and in fact was a precursor to move from one level to another? You know you would never have gotten off your '14' days if you didn't acknowledge this "fact"?
What makes you so different than your siblings? Are you an addict? Are you not so bright?
What exactly seperates you from all those other teenage drug users that escaped the seed that are now lawyers, doctors, congressman, business leaders...and president of the USA?
Just what would have happened to you without the seed? And BTW, ever do drugs after the seed? Get drunk?
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2006-05-02 14:07:00, Johnny G wrote:
I agree with Greg that the drug use, per se, is not the problem, just a symptom."
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that was mostly true of Seedlings. Addicts were statistically almost non existent, and then they were given special status and bumped thru the ranks, called on constantly, etc. usually they left pretty quick.
Johnny, I agree that drug abuse is usually a symptom of self medicating other problems. Fear, anxiety, family problems, whatever. However, when a person starts behaving compulsively and irrationally around drug use, then drugs become the 'problem'. Sometimes people need something to focus their attention away from this new problem so they can resolve the underlying issues. At the seed we were told the drugs were the problem..period and we were all given the same cookie cutter 'treatment' for our 'problem' that was going to cause us death, insanity or jail. Do you see a problem with that?
We can now observe that the vast majority of those kids that did't go had a much different result than the certain doom predicted by Art Barker. Yet, many of us still proclaim that WE would personally have fit that mold. Why, and why are so many of us convinced we were doomed without the seed?
Further, the bigger question here is forced treatment and indoctrination into a closed society by threat and coercion. Is that moral? Would you like, for instance, to have been sent to the moonie camp for your drug usage and become a 10 year moonie as a result?
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